Green energy is dumb

[SASKFARMER3]

See like all the threads before the Climate change supporters blow smoke up our ass with charts and graphs etc and then when a real conversation happens they hide and fear and stay off line.

Hm again those solar panels at Brooks and Crake are really working today with snow on them.

People in this country need the power to go out for weeks with a ice storm or something. im sorry its time the idiots realze we live in canada and its cold in winter and snowy and icy and hell we need to heat our homes cars and buildings.

The mall isn't heated by solar panels you morons.

[chuckChuck]

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/oct/07/how-green-is-britains-low-carbon-energy-supply

How green is Britain’s record on renewable energy supply?

About half of the power generated in the UK comes from low-carbon sources – here’s a breakdown of the four main sources of electricity

Adam Vaughan
@adamvaughan_uk

Saturday 7 October 2017 16.19 BST
First published on Saturday 7 October 2017 16.00 BST

As one of the UK’s renewable energy chiefs has pointed out, electric cars won’t tackle climate change if they run off fossil fuels. Matthew Wright, managing director of Dong Energy UK, said that although plug-in cars could cut local air pollution, it would be a “pyrrhic victory” if they increased greenhouse gases from coal and gas power stations.

“The fit between renewable energy and electric is a natural [one],” he argued. E.ON, one of the big-six energy suppliers, agrees: its dedicated new electric car tariff is supplied with 100% renewable power.

Put simply, the greener the electricity mix, the greener your electric car. Today, around half of power generated in the UK comes from low-carbon sources. Here’s how that breaks down, and how it might look in the future.
Wind

Nearly a third of the UK’s electricity between April and June was generated from renewable sources – a new record, and up a quarter on the same period last year. The milestone was driven in large part by the growing number of windfarms on land and around the UK’s coast. It also helped that wind speeds were relatively high and overall electricity generation was lower than normal.

The records have continued into autumn. Last Sunday night was the perfect time to plug in a car, as the carbon emissions from power generation were at their lowest level ever, because of windfarms.

Offshore windfarms have been making headlines as well as power, securing record low levels of state support in a government auction last month. Three major offshore farms will be built in the early 2020s for a subsidy price well below nuclear, and half what the technology cost just a few years ago.
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The UK has more offshore wind power capacity than any other country in the world, and is helping set records in Europe too. Last Monday, Europe generated a new high of 263 gigawatt hours of power from offshore turbines, 95GWh of which came from the UK.

Some industry-watchers think that offshore windfarms, where larger and more efficient turbines are driving costs down fast, could become so cheap that they eventually outcompete their onshore counterparts in Britain, too. But for now, those on land still provide 50% more power than those at sea.
Solar

The number of solar panels in the UK grew at a dizzying rate between 2011 and 2016, and now provide a significant source of power in the middle of the day.

Solar is a large reason the national grid went without coal power for 24 hours in April, the first time the UK had done without the dirty fuel for a day since the industrial revolution. For one brief period on a Friday in May, solar even eclipsed the UK’s eight nuclear power stations for electricity generation.

However, the outlook for the next five years is cloudier. Experts forecast the amount of solar installed will be a fifth of the capacity fitted in the past five years.
Solar panels provide a significant amount of energy but installation is starting to fall off.
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Nuclear
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Nuclear power stations usually provide between a fifth and a quarter of the UK’s power, taking a 23.6% share during April and June. EDF, which is building Britain’s first new nuclear station in decades at Hinkley Point in Somerset, thinks that by 2035, nuclear’s share should grow to around a third of UK power supply.

In the French state-owned firm’s vision of the future, another third will come from renewables and the last third from gas. Together, EDF sees the three as the best way of achieving reliable, affordable and low-carbon power.

But seven of the UK’s eight existing nuclear power stations, which began generating electricity in the 1970s and 1980s, are expected to come off the grid late next decade. That means for atomic power to supply a third of the UK’s needs, Hinkley Point C will need to be finished on time, and three more plants of a similar size will need to be built.

One of those could be by EDF itself, at Sizewell in Suffolk, if it can build the reactors for a subsidy price low enough that the government would agree it.

EDF is also supporting a Chinese nuclear company, CGN, which is at the start of a four-year process to get regulatory approval for a plant at Bradwell, in Essex. Other international consortia are hoping to build a plant at Wylfa in Wales and Moorside in Cumbria.
Biomass

Although environmentalists dispute the idea that wood-burning is green at all, it is still officially considered low-carbon by the UK and EU. The UK’s biggest power station, Drax in North Yorkshire, has already converted three of its six units from coal to biomass, and is exploring switching a fourth.

Later this year, an old coal power plant at Lynemouth in Northumberland is also slated to reopen as a biomass power station.

[SASKFARMER3]

Well chuck thats nice since britain is a island with F#$K all for Oil reserves and the colonies aren't shipping it to them for free so they have to find other ways.

Froze my ass off sitting in a hotel in London on more than one occasion so if their alternate source is so good and cheap why are they not cracking the heat.

Oh the bullshit alternates ate way way expensive.

Insert Ontario and brain dead New world.

Yea their broke.

[tweety]

Farming career only sposed to be 33 years ?? Wtf ? Lol

If you are a poor planner and always buying new equipment..... well then enjoy it till you're 80.

[Klause]

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/oct/07/how-green-is-britains-low-carbon-energy-supply

How green is Britain’s record on renewable energy supply?

About half of the power generated in the UK comes from low-carbon sources – here’s a breakdown of the four main sources of electricity

Adam Vaughan
@adamvaughan_uk

Saturday 7 October 2017 16.19 BST
First published on Saturday 7 October 2017 16.00 BST

As one of the UK’s renewable energy chiefs has pointed out, electric cars won’t tackle climate change if they run off fossil fuels. Matthew Wright, managing director of Dong Energy UK, said that although plug-in cars could cut local air pollution, it would be a “pyrrhic victory” if they increased greenhouse gases from coal and gas power stations.

“The fit between renewable energy and electric is a natural [one],” he argued. E.ON, one of the big-six energy suppliers, agrees: its dedicated new electric car tariff is supplied with 100% renewable power.

Put simply, the greener the electricity mix, the greener your electric car. Today, around half of power generated in the UK comes from low-carbon sources. Here’s how that breaks down, and how it might look in the future.
Wind

Nearly a third of the UK’s electricity between April and June was generated from renewable sources – a new record, and up a quarter on the same period last year. The milestone was driven in large part by the growing number of windfarms on land and around the UK’s coast. It also helped that wind speeds were relatively high and overall electricity generation was lower than normal.

The records have continued into autumn. Last Sunday night was the perfect time to plug in a car, as the carbon emissions from power generation were at their lowest level ever, because of windfarms.

Offshore windfarms have been making headlines as well as power, securing record low levels of state support in a government auction last month. Three major offshore farms will be built in the early 2020s for a subsidy price well below nuclear, and half what the technology cost just a few years ago.
Guardian Today: the headlines, the analysis, the debate - sent direct to you
Read more

The UK has more offshore wind power capacity than any other country in the world, and is helping set records in Europe too. Last Monday, Europe generated a new high of 263 gigawatt hours of power from offshore turbines, 95GWh of which came from the UK.

Some industry-watchers think that offshore windfarms, where larger and more efficient turbines are driving costs down fast, could become so cheap that they eventually outcompete their onshore counterparts in Britain, too. But for now, those on land still provide 50% more power than those at sea.
Solar

The number of solar panels in the UK grew at a dizzying rate between 2011 and 2016, and now provide a significant source of power in the middle of the day.

Solar is a large reason the national grid went without coal power for 24 hours in April, the first time the UK had done without the dirty fuel for a day since the industrial revolution. For one brief period on a Friday in May, solar even eclipsed the UK’s eight nuclear power stations for electricity generation.

However, the outlook for the next five years is cloudier. Experts forecast the amount of solar installed will be a fifth of the capacity fitted in the past five years.
Solar panels provide a significant amount of energy but installation is starting to fall off.
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Nuclear
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Nuclear power stations usually provide between a fifth and a quarter of the UK’s power, taking a 23.6% share during April and June. EDF, which is building Britain’s first new nuclear station in decades at Hinkley Point in Somerset, thinks that by 2035, nuclear’s share should grow to around a third of UK power supply.

In the French state-owned firm’s vision of the future, another third will come from renewables and the last third from gas. Together, EDF sees the three as the best way of achieving reliable, affordable and low-carbon power.

But seven of the UK’s eight existing nuclear power stations, which began generating electricity in the 1970s and 1980s, are expected to come off the grid late next decade. That means for atomic power to supply a third of the UK’s needs, Hinkley Point C will need to be finished on time, and three more plants of a similar size will need to be built.

One of those could be by EDF itself, at Sizewell in Suffolk, if it can build the reactors for a subsidy price low enough that the government would agree it.

EDF is also supporting a Chinese nuclear company, CGN, which is at the start of a four-year process to get regulatory approval for a plant at Bradwell, in Essex. Other international consortia are hoping to build a plant at Wylfa in Wales and Moorside in Cumbria.
Biomass

Although environmentalists dispute the idea that wood-burning is green at all, it is still officially considered low-carbon by the UK and EU. The UK’s biggest power station, Drax in North Yorkshire, has already converted three of its six units from coal to biomass, and is exploring switching a fourth.

Later this year, an old coal power plant at Lynemouth in Northumberland is also slated to reopen as a biomass power station.

See? Once again completely ignoring facts and copy pasting.


Here's one... Forget about the UK.

Look at MB and Quebec where hydro power generates electricity... And in MB a vast number of houses heat with this green electricity....

[URL="http://www.conferenceboard.ca/hcp/provincial/environment/low-emitting-electricity-production.aspx?AspxAutoDetectCookieSupport=1"]http://www.conferenceboard.ca/hcp/provincial/environment/low-emitting-electricity-production.aspx?AspxAutoDetectCookieSupport=1[/URL]

That link goes to conference board of Canada.


And a dam has a way lower maintenance cost and longer lifespan than any solar panel or windmill... Plus it's there all year.
So Chuck, all your article, when taken with my link (which has UK on it) shows is how inferior solar and wind are...

[Oliver88]

I say this because everyone greenie correlates reduction in ghg to the number of cars off the road....

Imagine taking 100000 trucks off the road.....

And then being able to hop a train from Regina to Calgary instead of driving......

How many flights are there Regina to Calgary everyday. ....makes a case for high speed train....might increase Saskatchewan population as well.....

Very effective ways to massively reduce GHG levels and carbon footprint by improving logistics alone.

1) Approve Energy East, Northern Gateway, Trans Mountain Pipeline (private sector builds infrastructure, $0 tax involved)
2) Twin railways to Vancouver, Prince Rupert, Thunder Bay (tax $ required but very important projects)

Bonus Item But Less Effective #3) Build up railway to Churchill to keep it as a viable port.

None of these would lead to wealth distribution but would have a lot better RESULTS for a GHG reduction.
(Unfortunately I'm not sure if results mean much to socialists.....instead they favour wealth redistribution.)

[Klause]

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/oct/07/how-green-is-britains-low-carbon-energy-supply

How green is Britain’s record on renewable energy supply?

About half of the power generated in the UK comes from low-carbon sources – here’s a breakdown of the four main sources of electricity

Adam Vaughan
@adamvaughan_uk

Saturday 7 October 2017 16.19 BST
First published on Saturday 7 October 2017 16.00 BST

As one of the UK’s renewable energy chiefs has pointed out, electric cars won’t tackle climate change if they run off fossil fuels. Matthew Wright, managing director of Dong Energy UK, said that although plug-in cars could cut local air pollution, it would be a “pyrrhic victory” if they increased greenhouse gases from coal and gas power stations.

“The fit between renewable energy and electric is a natural [one],” he argued. E.ON, one of the big-six energy suppliers, agrees: its dedicated new electric car tariff is supplied with 100% renewable power.

Put simply, the greener the electricity mix, the greener your electric car. Today, around half of power generated in the UK comes from low-carbon sources. Here’s how that breaks down, and how it might look in the future.
Wind

Nearly a third of the UK’s electricity between April and June was generated from renewable sources – a new record, and up a quarter on the same period last year. The milestone was driven in large part by the growing number of windfarms on land and around the UK’s coast. It also helped that wind speeds were relatively high and overall electricity generation was lower than normal.

The records have continued into autumn. Last Sunday night was the perfect time to plug in a car, as the carbon emissions from power generation were at their lowest level ever, because of windfarms.

Offshore windfarms have been making headlines as well as power, securing record low levels of state support in a government auction last month. Three major offshore farms will be built in the early 2020s for a subsidy price well below nuclear, and half what the technology cost just a few years ago.
Guardian Today: the headlines, the analysis, the debate - sent direct to you
Read more

The UK has more offshore wind power capacity than any other country in the world, and is helping set records in Europe too. Last Monday, Europe generated a new high of 263 gigawatt hours of power from offshore turbines, 95GWh of which came from the UK.

Some industry-watchers think that offshore windfarms, where larger and more efficient turbines are driving costs down fast, could become so cheap that they eventually outcompete their onshore counterparts in Britain, too. But for now, those on land still provide 50% more power than those at sea.
Solar

The number of solar panels in the UK grew at a dizzying rate between 2011 and 2016, and now provide a significant source of power in the middle of the day.

Solar is a large reason the national grid went without coal power for 24 hours in April, the first time the UK had done without the dirty fuel for a day since the industrial revolution. For one brief period on a Friday in May, solar even eclipsed the UK’s eight nuclear power stations for electricity generation.

However, the outlook for the next five years is cloudier. Experts forecast the amount of solar installed will be a fifth of the capacity fitted in the past five years.
Solar panels provide a significant amount of energy but installation is starting to fall off.
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Solar panels provide a significant amount of energy but installation is starting to fall off. Photograph: Mike Kemp/Corbis via Getty Images
Nuclear
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Nuclear power stations usually provide between a fifth and a quarter of the UK’s power, taking a 23.6% share during April and June. EDF, which is building Britain’s first new nuclear station in decades at Hinkley Point in Somerset, thinks that by 2035, nuclear’s share should grow to around a third of UK power supply.

In the French state-owned firm’s vision of the future, another third will come from renewables and the last third from gas. Together, EDF sees the three as the best way of achieving reliable, affordable and low-carbon power.

But seven of the UK’s eight existing nuclear power stations, which began generating electricity in the 1970s and 1980s, are expected to come off the grid late next decade. That means for atomic power to supply a third of the UK’s needs, Hinkley Point C will need to be finished on time, and three more plants of a similar size will need to be built.

One of those could be by EDF itself, at Sizewell in Suffolk, if it can build the reactors for a subsidy price low enough that the government would agree it.

EDF is also supporting a Chinese nuclear company, CGN, which is at the start of a four-year process to get regulatory approval for a plant at Bradwell, in Essex. Other international consortia are hoping to build a plant at Wylfa in Wales and Moorside in Cumbria.
Biomass

Although environmentalists dispute the idea that wood-burning is green at all, it is still officially considered low-carbon by the UK and EU. The UK’s biggest power station, Drax in North Yorkshire, has already converted three of its six units from coal to biomass, and is exploring switching a fourth.

Later this year, an old coal power plant at Lynemouth in Northumberland is also slated to reopen as a biomass power station.

See? Once again completely ignoring facts and the point of the debate and copy pasting.


Here's one... Forget about the UK.

Look at MB and Quebec where hydro power generates electricity... And in MB a vast number of houses heat with this green electricity....

[URL="http://www.conferenceboard.ca/hcp/provincial/environment/low-emitting-electricity-production.aspx?AspxAutoDetectCookieSupport=1"]http://www.conferenceboard.ca/hcp/provincial/environment/low-emitting-electricity-production.aspx?AspxAutoDetectCookieSupport=1[/URL]

That link goes to conference board of Canada.


And a dam has a way lower maintenance cost and longer lifespan than any solar panel or windmill... Plus it's there all year.
So Chuck, all your article, when taken with my link (which has UK on it) shows is how inferior solar and wind are...

[Klause]

Oh and here's one more tidbit from a study at the University of Michigan...

battery-powered electric car fueled by electricity generated by coal gets the equivalent of 29 US miles per gallon. Ditto for oil-powered generation. On the other hand, solar power is good for 350 mpg, nuclear 2,300 mpg and hydro a whopping 5,100 miles for every blessed gallon of gasoline.

So there ya go... Nuclear (and that's based on fission not the much more efficient fusion / tokomak generation) and hydro power of all things are the most efficient power generation systems... In this case relating to EV but the same for all.


Let's see your next copy/paste, Chuck

[burnt]

If you think the sun and wind are unreliable why are you a farmer?

Oh my. There are no words...

[chuckChuck]

See? Once again completely ignoring facts and the point of the debate and copy pasting.


Here's one... Forget about the UK.

Look at MB and Quebec where hydro power generates electricity... And in MB a vast number of houses heat with this green electricity....

[URL="http://www.conferenceboard.ca/hcp/provincial/environment/low-emitting-electricity-production.aspx?AspxAutoDetectCookieSupport=1"]http://www.conferenceboard.ca/hcp/provincial/environment/low-emitting-electricity-production.aspx?AspxAutoDetectCookieSupport=1[/URL]

That link goes to conference board of Canada.


And a dam has a way lower maintenance cost and longer lifespan than any solar panel or windmill... Plus it's there all year.
So Chuck, all your article, when taken with my link (which has UK on it) shows is how inferior solar and wind are...

From your conference board of canada link
"Putting renewable and nuclear energy in context

Sources of energy that produce low amounts of greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions include wind, tidal, solar, biomass, nuclear, hydroelectric, and geothermal.

Increasing renewable energy’s share of total energy consumption should be a policy goal to mitigate climate change in Canada and its peer countries. Nuclear electricity generation may also have a role to play in reducing Canada’s carbon output".

My thoughts:
Hydro is a good option. Canada has a lot of hydro capacity already. Every new hydro project should be evaluated on its' own merits. We should be looking at all options based on economics and environmental risks and benefits. That's why wind and solar are on the table where it makes sense.

Many people think it is a black and white decision. Either you are in favor of renewables and opposed to fossil sources or opposed to renewables and in favor of fossil energy.

For the time being we are all dependent on both if you consider that Canada is a major hydro producer and using a lot of coal in Alberta, Saskatchewan and Nova Scotia.

We shouldn't be retrofitting or building any new coal electrical generation in Saskatchewan or Alberta. Gas is abundant and being wasted in the oil industry with a large number of flares. Convert the coal plants to gas as an interim measure to reduce carbon emissions by 1/2. Its much cheaper than carbon capture and storage so says Sask Power.

[RWT101]

Why believe what some probably green-biased writer says about the distribution of the types of energy production in the UK when you can go and see for yourself any time.

http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/

Really interesting to see how many times that wind sucker goes to zero at exactly the wrong time.

And how often old king COAL COMES TO THE RESCUE.

Enjoy.

[burnt]

It also appears that the group-think that chucky spews ignores the levelized environmental and economic costs of producing the components needed for producing the wind turbines and solar panels.

Studies show that when the CO2 emissions, let alone toxic chemical pollutants, from the entire lifetime production cycle of "renewables", CO2 is higher for them than it is for some carbon-based systems, and astronomically higher than for hydro.

In the greatest of ironies, the production of PVP has largely moved from "clean, green" Europe to China who - guess what - burns the coal we export to them because it's too dirty for us, HAHAHA! You cannot make this stuff up!

So where is the net gain when hydro output is reduced to offset wind and solar over-production at times of low usage?

And in addition, the (supposed) environmental cost in CO2 emissions from "renewables" also comes with a huge financial penalty to me as a user because I not only have to pay the exorbitantly higher production cost for wind and solar, but also have to pay the cost of exporting the surplus from wind and solar to the US and Quebec.

And in a further twist of the knife, manufacturing and its related jobs get sucked out of Ontario across the border, following the much lower electricity rates.

Did you get that? We export highly subsidized electricity and jobs, all thanks to the unreliable production of wind and solar which gets first dibs on the domestic grid.

Even with the best window dressing, renewable does not mean sustainable, nor is it any "cleaner" in the long term.

It's all smoke and PVP mirrors hiding behind a sunny but deadly ideology.