Green energy is dumb

[grassfarmer]

Yeah dumbass, I've forgotten more about cows and their management than you'll ever know. Took you 2 days to read up on how electric fences work before you realized the stupidity of your earlier claims that it couldn't possibly work. Maybe reflect a bit longer and you'd realize that my water system has a float switch on it how the hell do you think it would work otherwise? Keep on guessing about things you know nothing about though - makes good entertainment for the rest of us!

[oneoff]

Welcome to Canada. I guess. Always good to burn bridges eh!!

Fortunately most Canadian cattlemen do have some sympathy for domesticated cattle effectively forced to survive on -20F to -40F snow for their required "water intake".

[grassfarmer]

Here is some of the Canadian research backing this widely used practice:

[URL="http://www1.foragebeef.ca/$foragebeef/frgebeef.nsf/all/ccf1020"]http://http://www1.foragebeef.ca/$foragebeef/frgebeef.nsf/all/ccf1020[/URL]


Take away abstract for the skimmers "Through extensive testing in the early 1980's, the University of Alberta found insignificant differences in cow performance or body stress levels when asked to eat snow as their sole water source."

[Les Magura]

Would love to help but there is a saying that goes "you can't fix stupid" and given your original posting and some of replies denying climate change and green energy projects as well as the carbon tax all of which make a whole lot of sense, don't know if I can help or not.

[burnt]

Would love to help but there is a saying that goes "you can't fix stupid" and given your original posting and some of replies denying climate change and green energy projects as well as the carbon tax all of which make a whole lot of sense, don't know if I can help or not.

Nice of you to offer, but it's never worked out well when stupid tries to fix "stupid". Les,have you stopped using carbon-based fuels or are you just another Liberal hypocrite?

Just asking for someone...

[RWT101]

Some people may be interested in these.



And this one.




Canada is north of 40N.

This is physical reality which can never be changed by anybody.

And it means that BIG batteries are the key to any serious solar power in the land with 8 months of winter and 4 months of summer.

Private investment, GO FOR IT.

Gubmint tax dollars, FORGET IT.

[shtferbrains]

There you have it RWT101.

Solar is far beyond new technology. It is commercial mainstream with many for profitable plants supplying reliable power in locations where it makes sense.

As Grassfarmer points out, here it is seasonal at best.

We are well blessed with excess natural sources of energy, many of them under developed, but no commercial developer has stepped up to the plate anywhere near here without some sweetheart govmt subsidy.

I believe Canada's largest solar boondoggle is near Sarnia, about the same latitude as Southern California.

Edit: I forgot to proof read, please check it for me too Grassy?

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Here is some of the Canadian research backing this widely used practice:

[URL="http://www1.foragebeef.ca/$foragebeef/frgebeef.nsf/all/ccf1020"]http://http://www1.foragebeef.ca/$foragebeef/frgebeef.nsf/all/ccf1020[/URL]


Take away abstract for the skimmers "Through extensive testing in the early 1980's, the University of Alberta found insignificant differences in cow performance or body stress levels when asked to eat snow as their sole water source."

In my grandpas times, they didn't pump water and stoke the tank heater all winter, they used snow. I typically feed cows half a mile from the nearest waterer. Some cows go and drink daily, some never come up for water( learn this when trying to catch certain cows when they happen to come to corral for water), some go all that way and still eat snow. Some years I have them in areas with no water, some cows protest for a few days, then they figure it out. When swath grazing in snow they won't drink any water.

Normally I'd agree with Oneoff, but on this topic and the solar fencers/waterers, Grassfarmer is 100% correct.

Geothermal is amazing too. When everyone had well pits, they are constant warm temperature, never freezes. No insulation, no other heat source, and the top of the pressure tank in ours was only 3 feet below grade at most. I used one stock waterer all last winter with no heating element. It had a very slight leak and overflowed eventually, only about 4 cattle using it. I only had to break the ice a half dozen times all winter. Heat was coming from the trickling water and the riser pipe.

[oneoff]

OK I'm not too small to admit when my argument is all but lost.

My defence is that I initially didn't pay much attention befo e the concluding statement of 2" x 3" and 9000 volts so I jumped all over grassy and his operational solutions that "work just fine for him"

My apologies to solar panels married to ideal applications such as electric fencers; geothermal applications as well; I'm all for them; especially when they provide solutions that are otherwise even more difficult to solve.

I do challenge grassy et al to come up with solutions for their farting animals; and for their beef customers who have the "Earth Ranger" attitudes that their children most certainly will entertain for the rest of their lives
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AND THE BIG BIG PROBLEM OF A WORLD POPULATION GROWING TOTALLY OUT OF CONTROL (on a world wide basis) is something that deniers should have come to terms with in the distant past (and will have to confront). That topic is important or maybe not. And I apologize for that too.