Green energy is dumb

[Klause]

I'm not sure how this makes green energy dumb. That is like someone saying in the 1980s that we should stop building roads because everyone will have flying cars in the future.

Find out how much steel carbon and heavy metals it takes to get 500Mw out of wind or solar. Then find out what it takes out of a torroidal reactor.


Also land area required.


Then once it's obsolete which will be well before it's end of life... Who will take down all the windmills and solar panels? Or will they become relics like abandoned oil Wells?



We literally could power all of Canada with hydro electricity but it's not cool and the political will isn't there. Way better to spend billions on unproven and unreliable solar and wind... When we could have clean, emission free, high density water power.

[ALBERTAFARMER4]

We literally could power all of Canada with hydro electricity but it's not cool and the political will isn't there. Way better to spend billions on unproven and unreliable solar and wind... When we could have clean, emission free, high density water power.

If you think the sun and wind are unreliable why are you a farmer?

[the big wheel]

What do trucks burn as fuel?
Who controls the government? Less trucks =less fuel= less under the table money for political people. It's really that simple.

Who pays more? If you don't know go stand in front of a mirror tell me the dumbie you see in front of you.

[Braveheart]

It's not that green energy is dumb (likely is tho), green energy is about wealth transfer. It's about quashing the oil corps and redirecting the wealth to flow elsewhere. The anti corporate crowd that's against GMOs, Monsanto, even McDonalds are the main proponents of green. They see green energy as the new tool to recruit those unsuspecting people in society that just live day to day without an anti corporate agenda.

[bucket]

Klause

If they put 4 dams on the Saskatchewan river system the same water would generate power multiple times....

Then let's talk where depleted solar panels go to die.....

[Klause]

If you think the sun and wind are unreliable why are you a farmer?

Because I'm insane enough as with most farmers, to try and make a livelyhood out of 6" of decomposed rock and organic material praying the right amount of moisture condenses out of the atmosphere, hoping the sun is visible long enough to not cause frost but not so long as to negate the condensation and wither the crop... All the while praying the wind doesn't destroy my hard earned fruits of a years worth of labour...


How about you?

[Klause]

It's not that green energy is dumb (likely is tho), green energy is about wealth transfer. It's about quashing the oil corps and redirecting the wealth to flow elsewhere. The anti corporate crowd that's against GMOs, Monsanto, even McDonalds are the main proponents of green. They see green energy as the new tool to recruit those unsuspecting people in society that just live day to day without an anti corporate agenda.

You got it!

I selected the title to try and get a rise out of lefties. Didn't work.


I'm more interested in work done in the USA... Use wind to make hydrogen through electrolysis and with little modification run a diesel tractor on it. Would be way cheaper and better for the environment as far as ag is concerned.

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[ALBERTAFARMER4]

It's not that green energy is dumb (likely is tho), green energy is about wealth transfer. It's about quashing the oil corps and redirecting the wealth to flow elsewhere. The anti corporate crowd that's against GMOs, Monsanto, even McDonalds are the main proponents of green. They see green energy as the new tool to recruit those unsuspecting people in society that just live day to day without an anti corporate agenda.

LG, Tesla, Canadian Solar, Vestas, enphase, Panasonic, solar edge... these definitely don't sound like corporations at all. The only people upset about green energy are the ones holding stock in oil companies. Bet against technology, let me know how that works out for you in the long run.

[Klause]

LG, Tesla, Canadian Solar, Vestas, enphase, Panasonic, solar edge... these definitely don't sound like corporations at all. The only people upset about green energy are the ones holding stock in oil companies. Bet against technology, let me know how that works out for you in the long run.

Um... You're the one betting against technology...


That's the funny thing. You're just too naive to see it.


Torroidal reactors will replace all your non environment friendly green energy. After it's redistributed a vast majority of western wealth.


All the birds that get killed. The landscaped ravaged by rare earth mining. The waste of windmills and solar panels that take up anbunch of room and are an eyesore; that kill countless birds every year; that displace mammals because of the frequency emitted from the rotating units they will be obsolete before they can even be fully implemented.


By the way 40% of the world's oil goes into products other than fuel. Oil isn't going anywhere and it's you that's kidding yourself Chuck.

[SASKFARMER3]

See like all the threads before the Climate change supporters blow smoke up our ass with charts and graphs etc and then when a real conversation happens they hide and fear and stay off line.

Hm again those solar panels at Brooks and Crake are really working today with snow on them.

People in this country need the power to go out for weeks with a ice storm or something. im sorry its time the idiots realze we live in canada and its cold in winter and snowy and icy and hell we need to heat our homes cars and buildings.

The mall isn't heated by solar panels you morons.

[chuckChuck]

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/oct/07/how-green-is-britains-low-carbon-energy-supply

How green is Britain’s record on renewable energy supply?

About half of the power generated in the UK comes from low-carbon sources – here’s a breakdown of the four main sources of electricity

Adam Vaughan
@adamvaughan_uk

Saturday 7 October 2017 16.19 BST
First published on Saturday 7 October 2017 16.00 BST

As one of the UK’s renewable energy chiefs has pointed out, electric cars won’t tackle climate change if they run off fossil fuels. Matthew Wright, managing director of Dong Energy UK, said that although plug-in cars could cut local air pollution, it would be a “pyrrhic victory” if they increased greenhouse gases from coal and gas power stations.

“The fit between renewable energy and electric is a natural [one],” he argued. E.ON, one of the big-six energy suppliers, agrees: its dedicated new electric car tariff is supplied with 100% renewable power.

Put simply, the greener the electricity mix, the greener your electric car. Today, around half of power generated in the UK comes from low-carbon sources. Here’s how that breaks down, and how it might look in the future.
Wind

Nearly a third of the UK’s electricity between April and June was generated from renewable sources – a new record, and up a quarter on the same period last year. The milestone was driven in large part by the growing number of windfarms on land and around the UK’s coast. It also helped that wind speeds were relatively high and overall electricity generation was lower than normal.

The records have continued into autumn. Last Sunday night was the perfect time to plug in a car, as the carbon emissions from power generation were at their lowest level ever, because of windfarms.

Offshore windfarms have been making headlines as well as power, securing record low levels of state support in a government auction last month. Three major offshore farms will be built in the early 2020s for a subsidy price well below nuclear, and half what the technology cost just a few years ago.
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The UK has more offshore wind power capacity than any other country in the world, and is helping set records in Europe too. Last Monday, Europe generated a new high of 263 gigawatt hours of power from offshore turbines, 95GWh of which came from the UK.

Some industry-watchers think that offshore windfarms, where larger and more efficient turbines are driving costs down fast, could become so cheap that they eventually outcompete their onshore counterparts in Britain, too. But for now, those on land still provide 50% more power than those at sea.
Solar

The number of solar panels in the UK grew at a dizzying rate between 2011 and 2016, and now provide a significant source of power in the middle of the day.

Solar is a large reason the national grid went without coal power for 24 hours in April, the first time the UK had done without the dirty fuel for a day since the industrial revolution. For one brief period on a Friday in May, solar even eclipsed the UK’s eight nuclear power stations for electricity generation.

However, the outlook for the next five years is cloudier. Experts forecast the amount of solar installed will be a fifth of the capacity fitted in the past five years.
Solar panels provide a significant amount of energy but installation is starting to fall off.
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Solar panels provide a significant amount of energy but installation is starting to fall off. Photograph: Mike Kemp/Corbis via Getty Images
Nuclear
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Nuclear power stations usually provide between a fifth and a quarter of the UK’s power, taking a 23.6% share during April and June. EDF, which is building Britain’s first new nuclear station in decades at Hinkley Point in Somerset, thinks that by 2035, nuclear’s share should grow to around a third of UK power supply.

In the French state-owned firm’s vision of the future, another third will come from renewables and the last third from gas. Together, EDF sees the three as the best way of achieving reliable, affordable and low-carbon power.

But seven of the UK’s eight existing nuclear power stations, which began generating electricity in the 1970s and 1980s, are expected to come off the grid late next decade. That means for atomic power to supply a third of the UK’s needs, Hinkley Point C will need to be finished on time, and three more plants of a similar size will need to be built.

One of those could be by EDF itself, at Sizewell in Suffolk, if it can build the reactors for a subsidy price low enough that the government would agree it.

EDF is also supporting a Chinese nuclear company, CGN, which is at the start of a four-year process to get regulatory approval for a plant at Bradwell, in Essex. Other international consortia are hoping to build a plant at Wylfa in Wales and Moorside in Cumbria.
Biomass

Although environmentalists dispute the idea that wood-burning is green at all, it is still officially considered low-carbon by the UK and EU. The UK’s biggest power station, Drax in North Yorkshire, has already converted three of its six units from coal to biomass, and is exploring switching a fourth.

Later this year, an old coal power plant at Lynemouth in Northumberland is also slated to reopen as a biomass power station.

[SASKFARMER3]

Well chuck thats nice since britain is a island with F#$K all for Oil reserves and the colonies aren't shipping it to them for free so they have to find other ways.

Froze my ass off sitting in a hotel in London on more than one occasion so if their alternate source is so good and cheap why are they not cracking the heat.

Oh the bullshit alternates ate way way expensive.

Insert Ontario and brain dead New world.

Yea their broke.

[tweety]

Farming career only sposed to be 33 years ?? Wtf ? Lol

If you are a poor planner and always buying new equipment..... well then enjoy it till you're 80.

[Klause]

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/oct/07/how-green-is-britains-low-carbon-energy-supply

How green is Britain’s record on renewable energy supply?

About half of the power generated in the UK comes from low-carbon sources – here’s a breakdown of the four main sources of electricity

Adam Vaughan
@adamvaughan_uk

Saturday 7 October 2017 16.19 BST
First published on Saturday 7 October 2017 16.00 BST

As one of the UK’s renewable energy chiefs has pointed out, electric cars won’t tackle climate change if they run off fossil fuels. Matthew Wright, managing director of Dong Energy UK, said that although plug-in cars could cut local air pollution, it would be a “pyrrhic victory” if they increased greenhouse gases from coal and gas power stations.

“The fit between renewable energy and electric is a natural [one],” he argued. E.ON, one of the big-six energy suppliers, agrees: its dedicated new electric car tariff is supplied with 100% renewable power.

Put simply, the greener the electricity mix, the greener your electric car. Today, around half of power generated in the UK comes from low-carbon sources. Here’s how that breaks down, and how it might look in the future.
Wind

Nearly a third of the UK’s electricity between April and June was generated from renewable sources – a new record, and up a quarter on the same period last year. The milestone was driven in large part by the growing number of windfarms on land and around the UK’s coast. It also helped that wind speeds were relatively high and overall electricity generation was lower than normal.

The records have continued into autumn. Last Sunday night was the perfect time to plug in a car, as the carbon emissions from power generation were at their lowest level ever, because of windfarms.

Offshore windfarms have been making headlines as well as power, securing record low levels of state support in a government auction last month. Three major offshore farms will be built in the early 2020s for a subsidy price well below nuclear, and half what the technology cost just a few years ago.
Guardian Today: the headlines, the analysis, the debate - sent direct to you
Read more

The UK has more offshore wind power capacity than any other country in the world, and is helping set records in Europe too. Last Monday, Europe generated a new high of 263 gigawatt hours of power from offshore turbines, 95GWh of which came from the UK.

Some industry-watchers think that offshore windfarms, where larger and more efficient turbines are driving costs down fast, could become so cheap that they eventually outcompete their onshore counterparts in Britain, too. But for now, those on land still provide 50% more power than those at sea.
Solar

The number of solar panels in the UK grew at a dizzying rate between 2011 and 2016, and now provide a significant source of power in the middle of the day.

Solar is a large reason the national grid went without coal power for 24 hours in April, the first time the UK had done without the dirty fuel for a day since the industrial revolution. For one brief period on a Friday in May, solar even eclipsed the UK’s eight nuclear power stations for electricity generation.

However, the outlook for the next five years is cloudier. Experts forecast the amount of solar installed will be a fifth of the capacity fitted in the past five years.
Solar panels provide a significant amount of energy but installation is starting to fall off.
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Solar panels provide a significant amount of energy but installation is starting to fall off. Photograph: Mike Kemp/Corbis via Getty Images
Nuclear
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Nuclear power stations usually provide between a fifth and a quarter of the UK’s power, taking a 23.6% share during April and June. EDF, which is building Britain’s first new nuclear station in decades at Hinkley Point in Somerset, thinks that by 2035, nuclear’s share should grow to around a third of UK power supply.

In the French state-owned firm’s vision of the future, another third will come from renewables and the last third from gas. Together, EDF sees the three as the best way of achieving reliable, affordable and low-carbon power.

But seven of the UK’s eight existing nuclear power stations, which began generating electricity in the 1970s and 1980s, are expected to come off the grid late next decade. That means for atomic power to supply a third of the UK’s needs, Hinkley Point C will need to be finished on time, and three more plants of a similar size will need to be built.

One of those could be by EDF itself, at Sizewell in Suffolk, if it can build the reactors for a subsidy price low enough that the government would agree it.

EDF is also supporting a Chinese nuclear company, CGN, which is at the start of a four-year process to get regulatory approval for a plant at Bradwell, in Essex. Other international consortia are hoping to build a plant at Wylfa in Wales and Moorside in Cumbria.
Biomass

Although environmentalists dispute the idea that wood-burning is green at all, it is still officially considered low-carbon by the UK and EU. The UK’s biggest power station, Drax in North Yorkshire, has already converted three of its six units from coal to biomass, and is exploring switching a fourth.

Later this year, an old coal power plant at Lynemouth in Northumberland is also slated to reopen as a biomass power station.

See? Once again completely ignoring facts and copy pasting.


Here's one... Forget about the UK.

Look at MB and Quebec where hydro power generates electricity... And in MB a vast number of houses heat with this green electricity....

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That link goes to conference board of Canada.


And a dam has a way lower maintenance cost and longer lifespan than any solar panel or windmill... Plus it's there all year.
So Chuck, all your article, when taken with my link (which has UK on it) shows is how inferior solar and wind are...

[Oliver88]

I say this because everyone greenie correlates reduction in ghg to the number of cars off the road....

Imagine taking 100000 trucks off the road.....

And then being able to hop a train from Regina to Calgary instead of driving......

How many flights are there Regina to Calgary everyday. ....makes a case for high speed train....might increase Saskatchewan population as well.....

Very effective ways to massively reduce GHG levels and carbon footprint by improving logistics alone.

1) Approve Energy East, Northern Gateway, Trans Mountain Pipeline (private sector builds infrastructure, $0 tax involved)
2) Twin railways to Vancouver, Prince Rupert, Thunder Bay (tax $ required but very important projects)

Bonus Item But Less Effective #3) Build up railway to Churchill to keep it as a viable port.

None of these would lead to wealth distribution but would have a lot better RESULTS for a GHG reduction.
(Unfortunately I'm not sure if results mean much to socialists.....instead they favour wealth redistribution.)