Green energy is dumb

[tweety]

So is your solution then to do nothing? Don't learn anything, don't try anything, just sit on your hands and hope an answer will show up?

If at least trying renewable energy isn't the answer, i await to hear your solution to replacing a non renewable resource.

[bucket]

As I sit in my house with natural gas high efficiency furnace.....thank you grant Devine. .....I see hydro and natural gas turbines as good intermediate step....


Hydro really has the most efficienCy. ...you could generate power at Leader and again at Gardiner dam with the same water ....it's called cascading...

As has been mentioned where do the solar panels to die....

I realize seeing old windmills in the rural areas are great photo ops but the new ones not so much....

Interesting study about the Saskatchewan river is that there is always some air movement due to the lake and the body of water....makes sense that windmills and hydro could work together....

[burnt]

So is your solution then to do nothing? Don't learn anything, don't try anything, just sit on your hands and hope an answer will show up?

If at least trying renewable energy isn't the answer, i await to hear your solution to replacing a non renewable resource.

Aw shucks, you're right tweety! We should throw billions upon billions of dollars at an ideologically driven, dead end program that boasts the predictable, measurable benefit of destroying our economy!

We should subsidize this failure simply because, like Trudeau and Morneau's hypocritical tax change fiasco, we want to reward a few well-positioned Liberal boosters who will happily feather their nests at our expense.

We should throw billions more at technology that is demonstrably deficient at meeting anywhere near the demand that is currently met by nuke, hydro and carbon-powered generation.

We should discard all the amazing advancements made in cleaning up coal generation emissions just because, well, just because coal is painted as "dirty". (I provided the stats on those advances elsewhere on here recently)

And finally, we should ignore the negative environmental side effects of wind and solar just because acknowledging them would expose the entire fallacy of the "green movement" and we don't like when hypocrites in suits are outed.

Do we tweety? Just don't forget what those butts you kiss are capable of doing to you while you're at it.

[tweety]

Burnt, i asked what the solution is. Is it in there somewhere amongst the sarcasm?

[burnt]

Burnt, i asked what the solution is. Is it in there somewhere amongst the sarcasm?

Yes, if you would care to see it.

Hydro is endless, nuke is cheap, coal has a 200+ year supply in North America. Oil, nat gas likely 100+ years, oil sands, etc.

And in addition, there have been other new, more efficient, safe and reliable non-carbon technologies discussed here for the past - who knows how long?

But your question reveals the real problem - some people are so taken by ideology and/or so credulous that they believe that the government must show us the way, rather than letting natural, entrepreneurial spirit respond to the constant demand for innovation and advancement.

But thank you for asking!

[sumdumguy]

If you think the sun and wind are unreliable why are you a farmer?

I am a farmer when rhe sun is reliable? But ask anyone with solar panels if the sun is reliable all year, they will tell it is feast or famine. You want that, go for it, but I ain't paying for it. 👎

[grassfarmer]

Well chuck thats nice since britain is a island with F#$K all for Oil reserves....

Actually it's "an island" and does have substantial oil reserves. I guess you've never heard of the North Sea oil fields?

[malleefarmer]

Same debate in australia but seems ever so slightly pendulem is swinging back to fossil fuels and even uranium.

A big report here showing all the positives of clean green renewable etc etc but the clunker is by 2020 if it all falls into place and we are clean and green average save per household will be $200 per year.

People are kinda saying what the hell so my gut feeling is there will be some kind of halfway agreement some clean green some fossil fuel dare i say it many are thinking nuclear as we have such large reserves un touched and safer than was say 20 yrs ago

[TASFarms]

A friend of mine is working on that solar farm at brooks. He Just shakes his head at the costs, not much sun this time of year. Laughs about having to clean the snow off just so they could do some testing. Pretty big job to clean the snow off and the dust for the rest of the year. He was working at a wind farm before. He is doing it for the above normal pay and the expirence. Calls it a big wast of tax payer money

[seldomseen]

Are you making any progress with your solar farm ChuckChuck? I for one would be interested in how things are coming along.

[TASFarms]

What would hail insurance be on on 70 acres of solar panels. 15000 1x2m panels. With a crop it's one season production. Plant new seeds next year. Solar farm 100% hail would be more than it cost to put up the first time? What would hail damage be to hydro. Next to nothing compared to a solar farm

[grassfarmer]

Actually the newer solar panels are pretty much resistant to hail - made of different materials to the early ones.
For all the doubters that think solar power only works in summer....



A simple solar system pumping water out of a slough for 350 head of cattle, keeps up no problem even after days of grey overcast skies and snow. Little solar fencer running a hotwire around it - got a 3" by 2" panel and putting out over 9000volts.