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    #11
    https://arstechnica.com/cars/2017/09/nikola-motor-company-and-bosch-team-up-on-long-haul-fuel-cell-truck/
    Nikola Motor Company and Bosch team up on long-haul fuel cell truck
    A truck with up to 1,200 miles in range will run on Bosch’s eAxle platform.

    Megan Geuss - 9/19/2017, 8:00 AM

    Salt Lake City-based Nikola Motor Company and German auto components giant Bosch are teaming up to build the Nikola One and Nikola Two—a pair of hydrogen-electric, long-haul trucks that will compete with the handful of other low-emissions trucks and powertrains that have been announced in mid-2017.

    The Nikola One truck isn’t a new development, but the startup’s partnership with Bosch is. Last December, Nikola Motor Company announced that it would build a hydrogen-electric truck that would be able to travel 1,200 miles on a tank of hydrogen and deliver 1,000 horsepower and 2,000 foot-pounds of torque. The company said at the time that its truck, deemed the Nikola One, would be market-ready by 2020.

    Now, that market-ready date has been pushed back to 2021, but adding Bosch’s experience into the mix no doubt helps firm up Nikola Motor Company’s projections. According to a press release from the startup, the class 8 Nikola One and Nikola Two will now be built on Bosch’s eAxle—an integrated unit blending motor, power electronics, and transmission. Bosch's eAxle was only just announced this January.

    The Nikola trucks will both pair hydrogen fuel cells with a 320kWh battery pack and offer a payload capacity of 65,000 pounds. That number demonstrates just how much bigger long-haul trucks need to be versus short-haul trucks—Daimler announced a new all-electric short haul truck last week, but its payload capacity will be about 7,000 pounds.

    At the moment, Nikola Motor Company's primary competitor would be Cummins, the diesel truck engine maker that announced an all-electric powertrain capable of hauling 22 tons, or about 44,000 pounds, on a 140kWh battery pack for 100 miles. Cummins said the power train could be paired with an on-board diesel generator to triple the car's range.

    Although battery-only trucks have a much shorter range than hydrogen-electric vehicles, both new technologies are hampered by a similar problem, that is, where to refuel/recharge. Back in December, Nikola Motor Company added that it would build 364 hydrogen fueling stations throughout North America starting in 2018.

    The dual-motor design and the fuel cell system in the Nikola One and Two will also be developed with Bosch's help, with a view to maximizing the truck's range. The truck's controls and software will also be a product of the Nikola/Bosch partnership. Bosch is well familiar with vehicle software, too—notoriously it helped develop the software that Volkswagen diesel vehicles ran to cheat federal emissions tests.

    But with fuel cell vehicles, the only emission is water, so it strains the imagination to think of a way to repeat such a stunt. At the moment, prices aren't available for the Nikola One or Two, but the company says the trucks will reflect "a competitive total cost of ownership" compared to traditional powertrains.

    Megan Geuss

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      #12
      That fast of acceleration, pretty sure tires wouldn't last long

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        #13
        The future at this time appears to be electric. The how and the when are today not certain. Pretty sure I will never have to deal with it. Pretty sure I'm being asked to pay for it today though.
        So many tax dollars and so few Musks to support.

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          #14
          Here is a website with some very simple math calculations.
          I will however point out that for a 2 mw charger that would be required to charge the batteries in 30 minutes would be equivalent to 40 typical farm 25 kva electrical services.

          http://driving.ca/tesla/auto-news/news/motor-mouth-the-inconvenient-truth-about-teslas-truck
          Last edited by tmyrfield; Nov 18, 2017, 17:35. Reason: to include website

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            #15
            I will however point out that for a 2 mw charger that would be required to charge the batteries in 30 minutes would be equivalent to 40 typical farm 25 kva electrical services.



            yea , that'll happen , real practical ,I'm sure truck stops would hop right to it ?? lol
            and what about the poor old tired grid ? anyone with a brain ever think this bullshit out ?
            maybe they can charge them from rainbows?
            as someone said , cherry pick the data , and no one questions the sheep herders
            just think of the govt money thats gone into this adventure .
            good on toyota, though, i think?

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              #16
              Like most of what comes out of Elon Musk's mouth this latest "announcement" is total crap. He's the P.T. Barnum of our day. The difference is that most people knew Barnum was a huckster but today the green crowd needs to believe Musk's BS.

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                #17
                Originally posted by bobofthenorth View Post
                Like most of what comes out of Elon Musk's mouth this latest "announcement" is total crap. He's the P.T. Barnum of our day. The difference is that most people knew Barnum was a huckster but today the green crowd needs to believe Musk's BS.
                X2
                Tesla burned 5 billion in cash last yr.
                He is a great stock promoter. Anyone on have the stones to short this thing or know what the borrowing cost is right now?

                Iceman Out

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                  #18
                  Riding the wave, why wouldn't you if some one else pays for it? Enhanced rail prolly the answer. I think CN is parking their grain cars on the rail next to 48 highway for the winter, about 300 of them.

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by iceman View Post
                    X2
                    Tesla burned 5 billion in cash last yr.
                    He is a great stock promoter. Anyone on have the stones to short this thing or know what the borrowing cost is right now?

                    Iceman Out
                    LOL they've been trying to short Tesla forever (I do not own Tesla)
                    Rated outperform with a 411 target
                    If that happens borrow rate might be downright harmful for the next while

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                      #20
                      Originally posted by farming101 View Post
                      LOL they've been trying to short Tesla forever (I do not own Tesla)
                      Rated outperform with a 411 target
                      If that happens borrow rate might be downright harmful for the next while
                      That all depends what the borrowing cost is. I will find out on Monday and report back.

                      You really think it gets to 411?

                      Iceman

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