Must read for any farmer questioning climate change

[the big wheel]

Donald trump may have another alternative answer in maybe to get rid of the pathetic humans that need to keep warm and grow food to live by using energy we should perhaps nuke vast population areas to slow down this pattern??? Donald the humanitarian saviour!!! Hahahah

[Guest]

Nobody is listening to human caused climate change deniers. As I have pointed out before only one Conservative MP voted against supporting the Paris Climate accord in a June vote. You can't even convince the Conservative party of Canada to support your anti science views.

well , you listen and argue everyday . soon no one will be listening to the data and science deniers . maybe after this unusually cold winter

[dmlfarmer]

More Sunday morning education:

for those of you thinking glaciers have nothing to do with river flows:
[URL="http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-04-18/canadian-river-vanishes-in-geological-instant/8449508"]http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-04-18/canadian-river-vanishes-in-geological-instant/8449508[/URL]

source of rivers in western Canada:
[URL="http://aep.alberta.ca/water/water-conversation/documents/FactsAboutWaterAlberta-Dec2010A.pdf"]http://aep.alberta.ca/water/water-conversation/documents/FactsAboutWaterAlberta-Dec2010A.pdf[/URL]
Read section 2.1 Rivers in above link. Note first sentence states: "Most of the major rivers in Western Canada originate from glaciers and high elevation snowpacks in the Rocky Mountains..."

[AlbertaFarmer5]

dml, this article proves beyond a doubt that if you cherry pick the place, and cherry pick the time frame, that you can find evidence to support any agenda. In this case, the time frame coincides with the most recent natural warming cycle of 1980 to 2000, and the place, a postage stamp sized area which has no history of agriculture.

Quote from the article: that were locked under the glaciers for thousands of years While I expect that this statement is simply the result of someone with no concept of geologic history, it implies that sometime in the past few thousand year long interglacial period (~11,000 years), that these glaciers did not exist at this altitude, which would imply that it was warmer then than now, then got cold enough for them to creep back down.

So I guess the best solution is to cool these glaciers so that they stop melting. Then they will have no agriculture, no drinking water, no hydro electric, and can all go back to subsistence farming in the mountains. That will be the end result either way. So instead of taking advantage of this brief respite from cold which nature has provided us, which allows opportunities to use water otherwise uselessly locked up in ice, we should do everything we can to keep it there and deny them at least a short term opportunity.

[dmlfarmer]

AF5 Are you insinuating that glacier melt is only happening in Peru and only in the last few years?

Fact is retreat of glaciers has happened since the last ice age and will continue until the next ice age (if and when that occurs). And it is not limited to Peru but is a world wide phenomena. [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retreat_of_glaciers_since_1850"]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retreat_of_glaciers_since_1850[/URL]
But as someone concerned about global cooling and the onset of the next ice age, glacier retreat should not be a worry to you unless the glaciers all melt before the onset of the next ice age. (this means next ice age must begin within the next generation for the recovery of Peru glaciers and all the people that demands on this water source) However, it is tough to claim global cooling when the rate of glacier melt is rapidly increasing.
Nor am I advocating complete stopping the melt of glaciers. To say such a thing is ludicrous given glaciers provide water and life to farms, people, communities and life around the world. The only point I tried to make by posting the Peru article was glacier melt is another indication of a warming world; especially given the rate of melt is rapidly increasing.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Nope, I just don't see any negatives in the entire article. Glaciers are still shrinking. They are not wasting to precious resources, gravity fed freshwater and heat. Neither one will last forever so good to not let them go to waste.

[sofa.king]

I guess we better start filling water bottles for drinking or she will be a thirsty summer.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

There are two possible scenarios regarding how the the end result when mining an unsustainable finite resource Such as glacier fed water. Best case, it stays warm enough long enough to melt it all agets used for agriculture Before the area returns to be the desert it once was. The only other option is it doesn't Stay warm long enough to melt it, The meltwater stops or slows in the area returns to the desert it once was. Same and result but one-way results in a lot more production in the meantime. And every gallon of Glacier fed water they use, Is 1 gallon of fossil water that didn't get used for irrigation elsewhere in the world. Fossil water which would still be available to us In cooler world where glaciers are no longer melting fast enough to supply our irrigation needs, Or in a warmer world where Glaciers Fed supplies dwindle.

[shtferbrains]

If you wanted to manipulate data:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_modification

THE MOST studied climate in the world, but no definitive answers;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droughts_in_California

California is suggested to be in an unprecedented wet cycle

http://ocp.ldeo.columbia.edu/res/div/ocp/drought/medieval.shtml

[RWT101]

News just in!!!

The sky is falling again!!!!!

Oh no!!!

[//http://dailycaller.com/2017/11/25/after-30-years-alarmists-are-still-predicting-a-global-warming-apocalypse/[/URL]

The climb down has started because the Anthropogenic Goldilocks Warministas are now using CLIMATE CHANGE to promote their doomsday scenario. Instead of their BS AGW.

Nobody says the climate is not changing. It has ALWAYS changed right from the Big Bang.

Is there anybody not aware that people farmed on Greenland, just a few hundred years ago?

And that the Arctic icecap was far enough south to entirely surround Iceland? Which is why it was named ICELAND.

And that was well BEFORE anybody was drilling for oil or gas.

Glacier building takes decades to happen and can disappear over decades. No news here folks.
In fact, if the climate did not change, Glacier National Park (latest poster child used to scare people) would still be under 3000 feet of ice.

When the glaciers are disappearing in the Americas, it is likely because they are not getting enough storms coming off the Pacific Ocean to replenish the snow in the mountains.
Both the Pacific and the Atlantic are well known to have decadal cycles in them.
And we do not control any of that.

The other thing that affects them is the dust storms that come all the way across the ocean from China.
This dust settling on the snow helps to melt it down quickly.
There are lots of pics of monster Asian dust storms on the net. Just google them.

And finally there is the changing Sun.
We have just went thru a period where the Sun is at its hottest in about the last 8000 years, due to increased sunspots.
Gee, I wonder if that has anything to do with the climate on Earth?