Stats Canada YES the report thats two months old.

[blackpowder]

Its not up to govts to sell. They facilitate market at best.
A better handle on #s is out there. It doesnt have to be cloud.
The rr issue fixes itself as best it can as long as users pay somehow.
Grass, ive never had a line 150 near 200k and yet you still sound ferret-like.

[Guest]

Could some of you explain why you do not feel you should be providing yield information to statscan yet you complain there is no transparency in export sales, volumes, and prices? Why do you feel marketers and grain companies should be obligated to provide demand information but it is okay for farmers to refuse or even fudge their supply information?

Do you not feel it is important for governments to at least make an attempt to find markets for our grains, especially given most other grain exporting nation's governments are active promoters of their agricultural commodities including the USDA, Australia, European Commission, Brazil, Argentina, and especially Russia? Furthermore each of these with perhaps the exception of Russia provide government estimates of production. I put forward it is important for governments to know what their farmers have to sell if they are to promote sales opportunities. And it is extremely important when dealing with countries which have state buyers, especially China and other Asian countries which are our best markets.

You complain about the railroads and government not forcing them to provide service but unless you are willing to tell governments how much service is needed each year as a function of volume to be moved, you are tying the hands of regulators and giving the railroads a free pass to only provide as much service as they feel like providing.

the railroads don't give a f$&k about you or me or the govt . proved this in 2013 ??. all statscan report is used for is to drop the market for a while , until usda comes out . do you actually think sask crop is that big with all the challenges there was this year . what the f$&k would we need rain for ??? all that report is for is to give more govt useless jobs . didn't you pay attention to all the bullshit that was spewn last fall when a third of the crop was out . proof was in the pudding when wheat hit $9 and canola $12 . and canola sure as f&$k wouldn't be $11.50-$11.80 right now if it was the canola crop they say it is . people need to wake up . you go ahead and waste your time with that outdated piece of shit , I won't

[farmaholic]

NDVI
Drones
Satellite imagery
Boots on the ground
Crop Insurance reports
Agristability reports AGRI1
Terminal receipts
Port records. ....


And they can't figure out yearly production or yeild trends over years of data?

I think they know more than you think.

The information collected by machines and "technology" is used to market against us....not for us.

[dmlfarmer]

Its not up to govts to sell. They facilitate market at best.
A better handle on #s is out there. It doesnt have to be cloud.
The rr issue fixes itself as best it can as long as users pay somehow.
Grass, ive never had a line 150 near 200k and yet you still sound ferret-like.

I am not saying it should be up to the governments to sell. But all of our competitor nations governments are flagging ag commodities so if we are to be competitive I think it is necessary for our government to put an equal effort to what other governments do.

And where are the better numbers? The grain trade itself? Likely, but they will not even provide sales information that farmers need. Do you really think they are going to provide farmers with credible information as to supply? They want to buy as cheap as possible so definitely not going to provide supply information that might keep farmers bins shut.

To your third point, I am not sure that farmers can afford to pay the same freight rate that RRs charge for movement of oil, or consumer goods. Efficiency comes with movement consistant movement throughout the year but that is not how grain sales work and we certainly do not have terminal storage to handle surges and ebbs in demand or supply.

[dmlfarmer]

NDVI
Drones
Satellite imagery
Boots on the ground
Crop Insurance reports
Agristability reports AGRI1
Terminal receipts
Port records. ....


And they can't figure out yearly production or yeild trends over years of data?

I think they know more than you think.

The information collected by machines and "technology" is used to market against us....not for us.

Farmers complain about how slow stats can information is... we would not get a crop estimate for 20 months after harvest if we waited for agstabiltity records. Crop insurance would be another nightmare given a fed agency would have to collect data from 10 provincial government agencies.

And you complain about the intrusion of stats can phoning, I can just imagine the complaining if government people starting walking though fields for yield estimates not to mention the uproar over government spying on farmers if they gathered yield data with drones or other technology. And this does not even touch on the cost of collection using technology which on a prairie wide basis would be much higher than phone surveying.

And I really get a kick out of you thinking companies would freely give up their data to government. They are not like farmers who willingly pay for technology which provides tonnes of data to third parties for free and farmers are not even aware their data is being uploaded.

Yes there are lots of other ways to get information but will that information be available to farmers and at what cost if it even is? Like it or not, stats can yields are a check and balance against grain companies using inside information to sway the market against the farmer because they have way more information and power in the market than farmers ever will

[farmaholic]

dml....damn your quick and with good arguments.

My inclusion of Ag-Stab was to compliment the "yield trend" comments. Crop Insurance data would be pretty current...a press of a key would likely "send" information.

Don't GrainCos have to report elevator receipts and port shipments to the CGC. Current and past information of stocks and available space can be calculated from that data.

"Spying".....too late, lots of "intelligence" is already available and collected. And I really don't believe that Gov Depts don't share info.

Maybe its more about knowing and being able to control the world's most valuable under valued "COMMODITY"! Hahahaha.