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    #13
    Grass do you have clean burning Teir 4 engines in your chore tractors ? Or do you run your operation like the Amish by feeding your animals with horses and donkeys as to not burn a drop of fossil fuels ? Do you have a vehicle ? Is it electric?

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      #14
      Assholes and hemorrhoids.... hemorrhoids irritate assholes...... sometimes you're the asshole..... sometimes you're the hemorrhoid.

      I'm versatile and can be both.

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        #15
        Personally Grassfarmer, I think you go out of your way to stir the pot and that makes for good entertainment. What I don't understand is the same group that pushes for less C02 emissions, leaving coal and oil in the ground, taxing carbon, also pushes and promotes eating less meat. They want everyone to be a vegetarian. Grassfarmer you seem to live in this constant state of denial that because in your mind you are at the very least carbon neutral and because of that you will always be able to produce beef. Now I do agree that if a person works hard enough beef can be produced very efficiently but those in the environmental movement don't care. They want the production of meat by agriculture ended. In their opinion it produces to many greenhouse gases and uses to much water. I certainly appreciate that it must have taken a great deal of confidence to emigrate to Canada from Scotland but sometimes your outlook does make me shake my head. Have a good day😃

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          #16
          Originally posted by Hamloc View Post
          Personally Grassfarmer, I think you go out of your way to stir the pot and that makes for good entertainment. What I don't understand is the same group that pushes for less C02 emissions, leaving coal and oil in the ground, taxing carbon, also pushes and promotes eating less meat. They want everyone to be a vegetarian. Grassfarmer you seem to live in this constant state of denial that because in your mind you are at the very least carbon neutral and because of that you will always be able to produce beef. Now I do agree that if a person works hard enough beef can be produced very efficiently but those in the environmental movement don't care. They want the production of meat by agriculture ended. In their opinion it produces to many greenhouse gases and uses to much water. I certainly appreciate that it must have taken a great deal of confidence to emigrate to Canada from Scotland but sometimes your outlook does make me shake my head. Have a good day😃
          Some people should get a brain and get a science education. They seemed to have missed the lessons on water cycle and photosynthesis. They would rather believe in fake science.

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            #17
            Hamloc, there are an awful lot of meat eating people in the world that are concerned about climate change and want to see reductions in C02 emissions. Your attempt to pigeon hole those concerned about environmental issues as a tiny, lunatic fringe group does not reflect reality.

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              #18
              Originally posted by grassfarmer View Post
              Hamloc, there are an awful lot of meat eating people in the world that are concerned about climate change and want to see reductions in C02 emissions. Your attempt to pigeon hole those concerned about environmental issues as a tiny, lunatic fringe group does not reflect reality.
              Grassfarmer, google:"What are the best ways to reduce your carbon footprint" on CBC news in science and technology. I apologize I am not tech savvy enough to put up the link, maybe somebody else can. You will see that recommending a vegetarian lifestyle is becoming a mainstream belief of the environmental movement!

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                #19
                Define "the environmental movement".

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                  #20
                  Originally posted by grassfarmer View Post
                  Define "the environmental movement".
                  Did you read the article? I would define the environmental movement as those who are proponents of the climate change agenda. Anti oil, anti-pipeline, fans of big government, carbon taxes. As a farmer I am undoubtedly attempting not to harm nature but I am also thankful of the benefits and comforts accorded to me by modern technology. Most of what proponents of climate change propose will do very little to stop true environmental pollution and realistically due very little to change the environment. When I refer to true environmental pollution I refer to degradation of our water resources and actual noxious gases in our environment, C02 is not a noxious gas. I agree we need to more efficiently utilize our finite resources but taxing natural gas for necessities like heat just don't make sense to me.

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                      #22
                      Originally posted by grassfarmer View Post
                      Hamloc, there are an awful lot of meat eating people in the world that are concerned about climate change and want to see reductions in C02 emissions. Your attempt to pigeon hole those concerned about environmental issues as a tiny, lunatic fringe group does not reflect reality.
                      it reminds me of the days of “witch” burning and the power of the church and the atrocities that masses bought into. Families actually gave their young daughters as sacrifice. People are so darn gullible. Sad but true!

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                        #23
                        Originally posted by Hamloc View Post
                        Did you read the article? I would define the environmental movement as those who are proponents of the climate change agenda. Anti oil, anti-pipeline, fans of big government, carbon taxes. As a farmer I am undoubtedly attempting not to harm nature but I am also thankful of the benefits and comforts accorded to me by modern technology. Most of what proponents of climate change propose will do very little to stop true environmental pollution and realistically due very little to change the environment. When I refer to true environmental pollution I refer to degradation of our water resources and actual noxious gases in our environment, C02 is not a noxious gas. I agree we need to more efficiently utilize our finite resources but taxing natural gas for necessities like heat just don't make sense to me.
                        hamloc, you claim to believe and accept modern technology, all provided by science yet you refuse to even consider science of climate change. I think a farmer who believes herbicedes including glyphosate are safe because scientific testing says so but denies man is having any impact on climate is just as hypocritical as the radical environmentalist.

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                          #24
                          Whilst I sometimes get really mad at grassy... mainly when he talks about excess rain actually...

                          He provides a different viewpoint on this site, and it's a good thing.

                          You have no debate without dissenting views. I have friends that are very left wing, anti-gmo, social utopians... and I have ultra conservatives as friends... and a bunch of people that fall in the middle...

                          It's fun to debate and discuss and hell even get mad at each other from time to time... Consensus is overrated. Debate isn't.


                          Grassy keep posting... 'cause even if I don't agree with you it's still a learning experience!


                          My $0.02.

                          Ciao!

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