Taxes on meat to battle clmate change

[Klause]

[URL="https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-11/taxes-on-meat-seen-joining-carbon-sugar-to-help-limit-emissions"]https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-11/taxes-on-meat-seen-joining-carbon-sugar-to-help-limit-emissions[/URL]

[Hamloc]

I was certainly aware that meat consumption was in the crosshairs of environmentalists but I have admit I never thought they would put a carbon tax on it. Grassfarmer take note.

[burnt]

"Tyson, which described itself for years as a producer and marketer of chicken, beef and pork, is quickly recasting its image. The company now calls itself “one of the world’s largest food companies and a recognized leader in protein.”"

Reality does not matter, imaging does. Imaging as "green" protects social license which translates into secure profits.

That is why dicaprio and his ilk can fly around the world preaching cut-backs but are themselves the worst offenders for producing the carbon they say is killing us.

And much of society gobbles it up as truth.

(This IS going to cost us as meat producers)

[Guest]

All things agricultural, why should that surprise anyone ?

[sk_wheatking]

Grassfarmer......you wanted it....you got it.

[farmaholic]

......is food a luxury?

[AlbertaFarmer5]

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.


Not intended to make light of the Holocaust, but to show that while we are busy arguing about who is sequestering more carbon and throwing our fellow farmers under the bus because they don't agree with our ideology, the rest of the big green movement is finding ways to tax and regulate us out of existence because we cannot present a united front against their senseless actions.

[sofa.king]

Wow this is getting scary.

[grassfarmer]

Not a big deal as far as I can see. A few people talking about it - no taxes anywhere, no proposals even. It is correct that the issue must be considered in our attempts to tackle climate change. The interesting part will be to see what plans come forward - how they assess the relative contribution of various sectors and how any country might try to implement that. I don't disagree with the idea that per capita consumption of meat could go down in the developed world and the world would be a better place. Rising demand in the rest of the world would soak up any redundant production. With good beef being around $9/lb I don't see a big issue with getting consumers in wealthy first world countries to pay 25 or 50c/lb more for it. Like the carbon tax on fuel it's gone up and down more than that due to market factors anyway. If it limits consumption a little it's achieving it's goal.

[Guest]

Not a big deal as far as I can see. A few people talking about it - no taxes anywhere, no proposals even. It is correct that the issue must be considered in our attempts to tackle climate change. The interesting part will be to see what plans come forward - how they assess the relative contribution of various sectors and how any country might try to implement that. I don't disagree with the idea that per capita consumption of meat could go down in the developed world and the world would be a better place. Rising demand in the rest of the world would soak up any redundant production. With good beef being around $9/lb I don't see a big issue with getting consumers in wealthy first world countries to pay 25 or 50c/lb more for it. Like the carbon tax on fuel it's gone up and down more than that due to market factors anyway. If it limits consumption a little it's achieving it's goal.

well you hit the nail right on the head , pass it on to consumers . we don't have that luxury , unfortunately. you may not have that luxury either when competing against non carbon tax countries? just curious , what was the price of beef in the 70's, 80's compared to now ? is it the same now as it was then, like grain ?

[checking]

It gets scary when governments consider, make, and enforce such domesticated animal carbon laws, but conveniently will exempt expansion promoters of wildlife from those same carbon tax laws, and by extension the Queen's herd.

It's exactly like the climate accord exotic places junkets that gather plane loads of so interested leaders in protecting the world, but fail to see that their actions are setting piss poor examples for their populations.

And then we have a few livestock ranchers that are so overjoyed with their neutral to positive actions for climate that both the environmental and opponents laugh at. Those are the true silly enablers of run away governments.

[Hamloc]

Not a big deal as far as I can see. A few people talking about it - no taxes anywhere, no proposals even. It is correct that the issue must be considered in our attempts to tackle climate change. The interesting part will be to see what plans come forward - how they assess the relative contribution of various sectors and how any country might try to implement that. I don't disagree with the idea that per capita consumption of meat could go down in the developed world and the world would be a better place. Rising demand in the rest of the world would soak up any redundant production. With good beef being around $9/lb I don't see a big issue with getting consumers in wealthy first world countries to pay 25 or 50c/lb more for it. Like the carbon tax on fuel it's gone up and down more than that due to market factors anyway. If it limits consumption a little it's achieving it's goal.

As a beef farmer when I go to the grocery store I wonder how anyone can afford beef. Grassfarmer, after reading this post it is abundantly clear to me that your political ideology it truly overriding your common sense and your business sense. I still maintain giving governments more money will not help the environment. The smartest people in our society are not in government!!

[grassfarmer]

As a beef farmer when I go to the grocery store I wonder how anyone can afford beef. Grassfarmer, after reading this post it is abundantly clear to me that your political ideology it truly overriding your common sense and your business sense. I still maintain giving governments more money will not help the environment. The smartest people in our society are not in government!!

Nothing wrong with my business sense Hamloc, any amount of money in the beef complex to pay for this.
Your problem is likely the same as most other commodity guys - you've been getting cents on the $ for your production for too long. Problem is primary producers are not getting the share they deserve of the retail price.

I remember years ago apologizing to a customer that their quarter beef was rather expensive when they came to pick it up - turns out they had been skiing in the Rockies the day before with their 3 kids. Between lift passes, ski hire and bits and pieces they had spent over $500 on the day out so thought my beef looked really cheap! I've never forgotten that lesson.

[DaneG]

Look on the bright side, along with a meat tax the requirement for a hunting license and bag limits will probably be a thing of the past them wild ruminants are polluters also!

[grassfarmer]

Undoubtedly the wild ungulate population should be considered in this whole equation. To do that we need to get the focus changed to an animal emission tax rather than a "meat tax".

I think the Queen has got off for long enough relying on others feeding her herds - time to send her a bill for their emissions!