TPP Without Canada

[Klause]

Yep.


Trudeau is a genious.

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[Stampsguy]

WOW!

But you know some on here will still think he’s a hero.

[the big wheel]

Well of course he s smart I mean trump is supported by some on here because he doesn't want to be in deals??????
Hahahah ah the games that are played.

Both are idiots!!!! But I have to say you can't criticize one and praise the other for doing the same thing.

[SASKFARMER3]

Big our boy got stoned on a flight a missed the meeting and then went to china like a bag of potatos all happy that his buddies were going to bend over to his way of doing things they sent him home.

Not the same one country needs to trade its goods thats us.

[grassfarmer]

A bit early to be condemning Trudeau on this as you don't know what's happening behind closed doors. He might be holding out for a better deal for Canada, putting pressure on the rest of the group like it is reported he was at the last summit. I guess you folks wouldn't support that though? just sign it anyway - even if it's a poor deal for Canada.
I for one am not in favour of these mega trade deals - they are largely a tool used to facilitate corporate control over national governments. One thing that would be hit by a TPP agreement would be supply management which no doubt fools will cheer on - but realise that another milk related issue that's in TPP would allow imports of fluid milk from the US. This will let in rBST produced milk into Canada - something that Canadians fought hard to keep out of their food supply.
The biggest problem with deals like TPP though is the ISDS mechanisms (investor state dispute settlements) which allow foreign investors (but not home-grown businesses) the priviledge of sueing governments for lost future profits through tribunals set up through the World Bank's International Centre for Settlement of Investment Disputes (ICSID). These tribunals operate outside of any country's courts, and demonstrate bias towards corporate interests. Tribunals are made up of trade lawyers who benefit from ISDS cases, as they provide an opportunity to collect lucrative fees and a share of the awards when a corporation succeeds in an action against a country.

Good reason not to be in the TPP but I suspect Canada will remain in, but are hanging on for a better deal.

[the big wheel]

That's true there is more to negotiating these deals than we know. Wait until the end product is out in the open before all is judged. How many of us actually know the details yet ??

And yes when you are a large raw resource based country like us giving away the rights for foreign corporates to do as they please is beyond stupid. Look how the oil industry continually takes us to re cleaners and buys off political parties they own the one here in sask and are fighting to own the national one.

[SASKFARMER3]

Grass honest to god every day you cheer the idiot from the East. Just cant see how a farmer could cheer on Trudeau. Oh wait you weren't in Canada when his Father destroyed us.

I gave him a chance and his first year i was easy on him the public elected him and we live in a democratic country.

But the last year he is showing how Stupid he really is.

What will happen if the TPP is signed and were not in it because he was to stoned to attend.

China is a big boy and yes we better have all our ducks in a row. With Trudeau i think not.

[LEP]

Grassy, US isn't part of TPP so it won't be milk from the US coming in. More like New Zealand or Australia.

[Braveheart]

Not being a part of TPP would be a huge disaster for Canada. Exports to TPP countries would likely decline over time as tariffs decreased to TPP member countries (thinking AUS a major competitor). Plus angering countries like Japan and China would preempt any bi lateral deals.

I see canola and it's components as one commodity that instead of growing exports would decline over time. Beef may be another.

Trudeau is playing Russian roulette with our farm's future. As far as being "crafty" holding something back for negotiating, well, he's not that smart. Unless we're trading something like socks, he'd best leave negotiating to real trade representatives.

[bgmb]

Dairy farmers & other sm farmers and the eastern auto industry are kicking up a stink. Dairy farmers are a breed of their own. If every industry operated on the backs of consumers and at the expense of everyone else like they do Canada would be broke overnight.

[grassfarmer]

Grassy, US isn't part of TPP so it won't be milk from the US coming in. More like New Zealand or Australia.

Semantics - Canada and the US were part of it when this was negotiated so presumably you were ok with rBST produced milk.

If every industry operated on the backs of consumers and at the expense of everyone else like they do Canada would be broke overnight.

Yeah, it could never work if the farmer gets paid the cost of his production for his produce directly by the consumer. Crazy talk.

Can't believe you all want to hand Canadian political and trade sovereignty over to trans-national corporations. As an example why do you want Canada to be prohibited from making the decision to source wheat for the bread the Canadian forces eat from only Canadian sources?

[bgmb]

Semantics - Canada and the US were part of it when this was negotiated so presumably you were ok with rBST produced milk.




Yeah, it could never work if the farmer gets paid the cost of his production for his produce directly by the consumer. Crazy talk.

Can't believe you all want to hand Canadian political and trade sovereignty over to trans-national corporations. As an example why do you want Canada to be prohibited from making the decision to source wheat for the bread the Canadian forces eat from only Canadian sources?

Grass maybe in Scotland protectionism works. Doesn't work here we are an exporting country without exports Canada as we know it is done.

[bgmb]

Grass simple question if we put all of agriculture in Canada under a supply managed system with no exports and an inflated price what would the economy look like? yes it would be great margin for the few acres of wheat you were allowed to sell or the 5 cows they would let you butcher.