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    #11
    Government deficits and debt are certainly a concern. But the great lesson learned from the great depression is not to cut government spending during recessions and depressions. Canada's job creation and economy lead the G7 in 2017 after significant stimulus. Since the economy is doing relatively well overall, interest rate increases may be a bigger concern for very indebted Canadians and farmers.

    The often predicted end of the world on Agriville has been greatly exaggerated!

    Canada has a very strong and stable credit rating.

    http://business.financialpost.com/investing/the-aaa-credit-rating-club-is-getting-cozy-and-canada-stands-to-benefit-from-it
    The AAA rating is assigned by credit ratings agencies to countries seen as the most stable politically, economically and financially. The current list of countries given that rating by all the major agencies includes Australia, Canada, Denmark, Germany, Hong Kong, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Norway, Singapore, Sweden and Switzerland. Of the group, only Germany has an economy that is larger than Canada’s.

    Not only has the AAA-rated club become more exclusive in recent years, it has also lost members with some of the largest and most liquid bond markets. S&P downgraded the U.S. in 2011 following a bitter dispute in Congress about raising the debt ceiling (the first ever downgrade for the country from AAA).

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      #12
      Originally posted by Horse View Post
      ASK yourself what good is your land without equipment to farm with, how much is your production without roads/rail to move it, how much is it worth if no one wants it.. Everyone, no most everyone is at the mercy of someone else but all you can do is cry about yourself, and don't give a shit as long as you get your coffee hot by some philipino or med because you can screw them easier. I will lay odds you are all doing very well, but still want more.
      If its so ducking bad get out no one will notice you gone.
      Horse, do you actually think a carbon tax is a good idea?

      If yes, what positive impact will it have?

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        #13
        Originally posted by Oliver88 View Post
        Horse, do you actually think a carbon tax is a good idea?

        If yes, what positive impact will it have?
        NO I don't like taxes ,carbon or others but I do realize govs need money to operate I do take offence to how they spend it. I just get tired of the same old poor me shit that some on here spout,a new song sheet would be refreshing, every Canadian is paying and the fact farm fuel is exempt will give the rest of society more to complain about agriculture.

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          #14
          Even Tim Hortons can raise the price of coffee and donuts to absorb the extra costs....

          Farmers can't and it's fair to say they are a pretty big part of this country's economy....destroy that and see how the country does. ...


          Easier to keep a few peasant farmers than a farm the size of bombardier who lives on taxpayers whether they need it or not....and by extension Canadian taxpayers are subsidizing Airbus.

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            #15
            Originally posted by bucket View Post
            Even Tim Hortons can raise the price of coffee and donuts to absorb the extra costs....

            Farmers can't and it's fair to say they are a pretty big part of this country's economy....destroy that and see how the country does. ...


            Easier to keep a few peasant farmers than a farm the size of bombardier who lives on taxpayers whether they need it or not....and by extension Canadian taxpayers are subsidizing Airbus.
            The reason some farmers aren't making much money has little to do with taxation and has a lot more to do with low crop prices and the high cost of production. Agriville is full of complaints about the cost of machinery, inputs land and how low crop prices are.

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              #16
              Gonna agree with Horse over purple gas. Get rid of it.

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                #17
                What do you think will happen when the leader of a country says things like "The budget will balance it self" and his only motivation is to look good to the UN and the Leonardo DiCaprio's of the world.

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by Horse View Post
                  NO I don't like taxes ,carbon or others but I do realize govs need money to operate I do take offence to how they spend it. I just get tired of the same old poor me shit that some on here spout,a new song sheet would be refreshing, every Canadian is paying and the fact farm fuel is exempt will give the rest of society more to complain about agriculture.
                  The carbon tax is supposed to be revenue neutral so it shouldn’t be a factor for operating the government bureaucracies. 🙈

                  If you think a civil servant in Edmonton pays a similar amount of carbon tax directly or indirectly to a grain farmer you need to look at your expenses closer.
                  Fuel is one of many items that will be affected.
                  This tax will hit rural, business owners the hardest and the civil servant workers the least.....

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by Oliver88 View Post
                    Horse, do you actually think a carbon tax is a good idea?

                    If yes, what positive impact will it have?
                    Oliver, what is the tax being used for besides rebates?

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                      #20
                      Originally posted by tweety View Post
                      Oliver, what is the tax being used for besides rebates?
                      Likely depends on province but from what I see out of Alberta it would be:
                      -Hire civil servants to administer tax collections and redistribute the funds
                      -“Green projects” that will lead to higher electricity costs. Subsidized electric cars.
                      -Advertising budget to remind Albertans to reduce consumption of beef, etc. 😂
                      -General Revenue likely takes some of the taxpayers $ as well.

                      End result is wealth distribution with no change in climate, weather, temperatures, GHG levels.....

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