Bucket's cheap milk

[grassfarmer]

I saw your comment in another thread bucket how cheap milk might be ok. Interesting timing as Shiv Chopra passed away January 7th. He was the Health Canada scientist who was fired after testifying before a Senate committee that their own government bosses pressed them to approve the rGBH drug (a growth hormone to increase milk production), despite questions about its safety. Luckily there was a large enough public outcry and the Government decided not to allow it's use in Canada although it is used in the USA.

The evidence shows that elevated levels of insulin-like growth factor 1 (IGF-1), which has been linked to the development of various cancers, have been found in people who drink milk or eat meat from rBGH-treated cows.

I'd prefer not to drink that milk, however cheap.

[ajl]

Milk has been selling as low as 0.75 US per gallon in some parts of the US midwest recently as a loss leader. BST is a naturally occurring hormone so it is likely perfectly fine and since it has been in use in the US since the mid 1980's it, like GMO canola has stood the test of time. There are non rBST product available in the US available as well for those who prefer it. Why do low income Canadians need to subsidize wealthy dairy farmers in Canada? Typical producer prices for milk are currently around 0.50 cdn per litre in the states but in the last 5 yrs have been as low as 0.40 and as high as 0.63 in the last five year compared to 0.80 right now in Canada.

[grassfarmer]

....it is likely perfectly fine....

Is that a scientific opinion? lol

By the same token why do low income Canadians need to subsidize wealthy grain farmers in Canada?

[Hamloc]

Milk has been selling as low as 0.75 US per gallon in some parts of the US midwest recently as a loss leader. BST is a naturally occurring hormone so it is likely perfectly fine and since it has been in use in the US since the mid 1980's it, like GMO canola has stood the test of time. There are non rBST product available in the US available as well for those who prefer it. Why do low income Canadians need to subsidize wealthy dairy farmers in Canada? Typical producer prices for milk are currently around 0.50 cdn per litre in the states but in the last 5 yrs have been as low as 0.40 and as high as 0.63 in the last five year compared to 0.80 right now in Canada.

Ajl, have you compared what Americans pay for beef compared to what Canadians pay? Anytime I have looked on sale flyers of Canadian vs American, Canadian beef is usually 50% more expensive than American beef in Canadian dollars. How do you explain this, there is no supply management in Canadian beef?

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Ajl, have you compared what Americans pay for beef compared to what Canadians pay? Anytime I have looked on sale flyers of Canadian vs American, Canadian beef is usually 50% more expensive than American beef in Canadian dollars. How do you explain this, there is no supply management in Canadian beef?

I believe the word is Collusion Not supply management...

Net effect to the consumer is the same, but less parties benefit.

[vvalk]

Is that a scientific opinion? lol

By the same token why do low income Canadians need to subsidize wealthy grain farmers in Canada?

Cant wait to hear what you mean by this comment comparing the two

[tweety]

Jeepers grass, at least post the rest of the story instead of being a fake headline making douchay.

So your paragraph plus.....

Some studies have shown that adults who drink milk have about 10% higher levels of IGF-1 in their blood than those who drink little or no milk. But this same finding has also been reported in people who drink soy milk. This suggests that the increase in IGF-1 may not be specific to cow's milk, and may be caused by protein, minerals, or some other factors in milk unrelated to rBGH. There have been no direct comparisons of IGF-1 levels in people who drink ordinary cow's milk vs. milk stimulated by rBGH.

At this time, it is not clear that drinking milk, produced with or without rBGH treatment, increases blood IGF-1 levels into a range that might be of concern regarding cancer risk or other health effects.

And the link https://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancer-causes/recombinant-bovine-growth-hormone.html https://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancer-causes/recombinant-bovine-growth-hormone.html

[ajl]

Beef in Canada is where the high margins come from to keep the lights on and the management paid in Canadian food stores. Have occasionally seen some off those flyers and do see some significant price difference. Trouble with Canada is that its population is too thin in most areas to get competition so prices are higher. Margins on processed foods such as cereals, bread, crackers etc, are pretty thin so that stuff can be quite cheap in the stores here.

[bgmb]

Cant wait to hear what you mean by this comment comparing the two

Seriously though SM has to be the most subsidized industry in Canada. Lets just call as spade a spade. The dairy farmers have a eally good stable industry and excellent low risk incomes. But somebody does pay a hefty price for that .

[bgmb]

Hey Grass lets bring in Sm for beef in canada. T bone will be $20/lb and you will have to divide your herd by 10

[vvalk]

Ajl, have you compared what Americans pay for beef compared to what Canadians pay? Anytime I have looked on sale flyers of Canadian vs American, Canadian beef is usually 50% more expensive than American beef in Canadian dollars. How do you explain this, there is no supply management in Canadian beef?

So by your argument why do we need supply management then

[blackpowder]

Whether or not we disagree with sm, are we ok with the disappearance of the majority of the industry otherwise?
The same border that protects also hinders in other ways. I fundamentally disagree with sm in sevefal ways.
But a certain number of spin off losses would incur with its demise. It may not be solely about the millionare at the head of the line or the poor who pay too much for milk.
Dont have the answers but sm is one of the last made in canada's at the supermarket.