Multiculturalism: A Worldwide Societal Failure

[chuckChuck]

I have a question for chuck, and Joey and Grassy:

Do you/will you, condone Sharia Law in Canada, whether it be restricted within the religious community itself; or even replaces the Rule of Law in Canada?

Pars

No one should be able to push their religious beliefs on anyone whether they be muslim, christian, jew etc......Let them practice their religion in their lives, at home or in their place of worship.

Canadian law applies to everyone regardless of their religious beliefs.

Sexual assault is widespread in all religions. Do you not realize many catholic priests systematically abused children. The Catholic church worked hard to cover it up in North America. Are you going to call for the catholic church and priests to be banned?

After all the recent immigrants and refugees who came to Canada from Syria where are all the examples of refugees committing violence and un-lawfull acts in Canada?

[chuckChuck]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/shariah-religion-islamophobia-1.4295453
Religious laws apply to a believer's spiritual life. They don't trump Canada's Criminal Code, civil law or other statutes.

Religious laws in practice
Shariah, as a set of religious guidelines, is already in Canada.

Just as Roman Catholic canon law and Jewish Halacha are here, for those who choose to observe it.

"It's all around you," said Imam Mohamad Jebara, chief iman and resident scholar at the Cordova Spiritual Education Center in Ottawa.

"Every time a Muslim goes to pray, whenever I cook and take food to my neighbours, that's me exercising what Shariah teaches me," he said.
Imam Mohamad Jebara, PhD

Imam Mohamad Jebara serves as chief imam and resident scholar at the Cordova Spiritual Education Center in Ottawa. (Canadian Race Relations Foundation website)

Rabbi Elizabeth Bolton said the impact of these practices are usually confined to their communities.

"The fact is there are all kinds of religious laws currently being practised in Canada that have no effect on folks who are not part of those religious traditions," said Bolton of Or Haneshamah, Ottawa's Reconstructionist Community.

Bolton told CBC News she's convinced objections over M-103 and the connection to Shariah law that people are making is bigotry, plain and simple.

"I suppose because it is unknown and complex and just sounds like something fearful... as if what is practised within a different religious community could somehow in Canada be imposed on those who are not adherent," she said.

Religion is, after all, a voluntary association in Canada.

"In order for the Shariah-inspired rules to apply, you have to accept the basis and the teachings of Islam," Jebara said.

Shariah, he explained, is not a law. Rather, it is a methodology for life, regulating everything from personal hygiene and charity to pilgrimages and burials.

"We use it today to help people navigate the journey of life," Jebara said.

Islamic religious law, he added, is called Qanun — the Arabic word for canon. It includes rules for Muslims, such as not eating pork or drinking alcohol.

For Jews, Halacha also regulates what someone may eat, certain family matters and how to mark different occasions.

"How one observes the seasons, how one observes the week and the day. When prayer takes place, with whom you need to say certain prayers," Bolton explained.
Elizabeth Bolton

Rabbi Elizabeth Bolton notes there are many kinds of religious rules in Canada that have no effect on people outside of the religious communities that practise them. (Waubgeshig Rice/CBC News)

Roman Catholic canon law sets out, among other things, the rights and obligations for adherents and clerics, the structure of the church and sacraments, as well as religious procedures.

"If you get a declaration of nullity of marriage, it's entirely ecclesiastical," said Michael-Andreas Nobel, canon law professor at Saint-Paul University in Ottawa.

"You must get a civil divorce before you can get an ecclesiastical divorce. We respect what the civil law requires. What we do is canon law and the civil authorities respect that as well."

Nobel pointed out canon law started in the first century.

"The church considered itself like a society that needed laws to regulate the lives of the people. But it still had to be distinguished from other legal concepts," he said.
Recourse to secular courts

Religious laws apply to a believer's spiritual life. They don't trump Canada's Criminal Code, civil law or other statutes.

[malleefarmer]

Christians fight muslims fight plenty of others fight seems the only one with a resemblence of a peaceful religion is Buddhism. Not sure but presume they dont push there beliefs onto others.

re catholics we have a huge case going on in oz at the moment cardinal george pell.

[chuckChuck]

Have very close friends in sweden, walked a young lady down the aisle her father on one side and her "aussie" father on the other.

6th generation on this farm to be born soon.

They are dismayed at whats happened to there once beautiful carefree country in the last 15 years. They are so happy they live on gotland but family members all over sweden country and city.

So you can have fake news real news but better to actually talk to people who live and breathe it.

Close friends in germany gottingen and waldshut/tiegen similar thoughts but yes they are racist and less tolerant than swedes and they admit there racism and are proud of it, fine line between patriotism and racism guess.

Pars isnt that far off

It's no surprise that right wing anti immigrant supporters share similar points of view in many countries.

Canada is very different than many parts of a more homogeneous Europe.

There is no doubt racism, fascism, xenophobia, bigotry and anti-immigrant movements are making a come back in Europe and in North America. Wars in Syria, Iraq and Africa are producing lots of refugees who are on the move and who need refuge.

Trump is giving the white supremacists a voice in the USA. ( According to Trump there are good people amongst the white supremacists). Its always been there. Its just now many extremists are coming out from the darkness.

It is a current lesson on how pre war Germany could embrace Hitlers message that Jews were the problem.

Now its the jews, the blacks, the indians, the muslims, the immigrants, and the foreigners. Anyone who I don't like, don't know, or who I don't understand. Pick one or all.

The first step is to demonize the target enemy and make them not like us.

[samhill]

If they are so wonderful why do they want to come here. There is no obvious reason other than it is profitable for those who want to sell housing, get their votes, have a source of cheap labour.

[samhill]

If they are so wonderful why do they want to come here. There is no obvious reason other than it is profitable for those who want to sell housing, get their votes, have a source of cheap labour.

[Guest]

half of them can't stand to live in their "shithole countries " anymore so they come here to f$&k up ours .
the other half that come here are hell bent in taking this country over . there are lots of good ones but way too many that are NFG.

[fjlip]

Religious laws apply to a believer's spiritual life. They don't trump Canada's Criminal Code, civil law or other statutes.
YOUR F*CKING TRUDO will soon have them TRUMP our criminal code....

[fjlip]

half of them can't stand to live in their "shithole countries " anymore so they come here to f$&k up ours .
the other half that come here are hell bent in taking this country over . there are lots of good ones but way too many that are NFG.

Ya they breed like rats, poor women constantly pregnant. By shear numbers they will rule us, hope I will never see that. Feel sorry for all our young.

[parsley]

chuckChuck 🕵🏻 Pars👱🏻

🕵🏻No one should be able to push their religious beliefs on anyone whether they be muslim, christian, jew etc......Let them practice their religion in their lives, at home or in their place of worship.🕵🏻

👱🏻*♀️That's a noble statement, chuckchuck. But what if a religion's doctrine clearly states that their goal, their vision, is this? : TRIUMPH over all other religions.👱🏻*♀️

👱🏻*♀️There are various ways to triumph chuckchuck,

What if the religion one chooses in their life teaches and commands the congregation to Kill all Jews? Kill all nonbelievers if they won't covert or pay a tax? KIll those who try to leave the fold?. Play tricks on non believers? Terrorize all nonbelievers? Take slaves? Is this hate speech? Do you think these things should be taught every Friday night because it's a religion? What about teaching these things to small children? Or to low IQ people? To the mentally ill? 👱🏻*♀️


🕵🏻Canadian law applies to everyone regardless of their religious beliefs.🕵🏻

👱🏻*♀️Oh? Let's say you belong to a rogue Catholic Church . Pretend every week you are taught to hate and kill all Lutherans. In 2018. Tell me this, is this hate speeech? Will the police shut your church down? I think so. And. will the police shut down ALL religions that teach this doctrine? Uh, nooooo. So tell me about the law, again... 👱🏻*♀️


🕵🏻Sexual assault is widespread in all religions. Do you not realize many catholic priests systematically abused children. The Catholic church worked hard to cover it up in North America. Are you going to call for the catholic church and priests to be banned?🕵🏻

👱🏻*♀️Sexual assault is widespread. It is illegal in Canada. . And every catholic in the free world has access to the rule of law to sue the church or the perps. They can also leave the church. And publish their experience. Read that again.chuckchuck.

Otoh, Sharia law legalizes sexual assault of wives, of slaves, of agnostics, and of infidels. Legal in Sharia Law countries. So spiritually, & morally, a Swedish woman can be ****d, and it's ignored in Sweden in the no-go zones that police are now unable to enter and enforce the rule of law. The rule of law is now dead in its' 55 no-go zones. 👱🏻*♀️

🕵🏻After all the recent immigrants and refugees who came to Canada from Syria where are all the examples of refugees committing violence and un-lawfull acts in Canada?🕵🏻

👱🏻*♀️ In the first years of invasion, Swedes posed the same kind of question....just wait.👱🏻*♀️[/QUOTE]