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[bgmb]

Sorry, I was wrong... I mis-quoted organic HRS. Current bid FOB S'toon is $20/bu.... so that would be $800/acre at 40 bpa.

I would say those are pretty optimistic yields for organic. Here guys are 50 % fallow and getting 5 bu flax 10-15 wheat. Obviously not the best organic farm lol.

Do you think it is feasable to grow an annual crop every year? or do you need to throw alfalfa or clover in for some nitrogen?

[bgmb]

Sorry, I was wrong... I mis-quoted organic HRS. Current bid FOB S'toon is $20/bu.... so that would be $800/acre at 40 bpa.

Ummm

Wow

Klause when you have a couple thousand acres of $800/ac certified organic wheat waving in the wind let me know would love to come check it out. Dont forget its not about profit per acre its about net profit of your business.

[Klause]

I would say those are pretty optimistic yields for organic. Here guys are 50 % fallow and getting 5 bu flax 10-15 wheat. Obviously not the best organic farm lol.

Do you think it is feasable to grow an annual crop every year? or do you need to throw alfalfa or clover in for some nitrogen?

Depends...


A lot on where you are.

Lentils, fabas, peas add lots of N especially if you don't fungicide them*

We had 80lbs of available N the spring following lentils, 50-60 on peas.


Clover is a good weed killer, but you can underseed an early cereal (oats, barley), and then put winter wheat or fall rye in the year after... doesn't have to be every 2nd year.

You can replace the other macro nutrients... The thing is people hear "organic" and think summerfallow, weeds, and shit crops. That's called poor management, not organic farming.

mallee was out here looking at our wheat this year, we didn't have thousands of acres, but we had 600.

If you're interested http://www.pivotandgrow.com/resources/prices/ Organic Grain Prices (ballpark).

In a country plauged with rural de-population, high distance to markets, and a rail system not capable of keeping up with increased production... Maybe a pivot towards lower yielding, (much) higher margin crops, and richer consumers would be the smartest thing possible.

Instead of growing cheap to feed many, grow expensive food to feed the few.?


*I'm serious.... Do soil N tests the spring following peas, on fungicide applied and non-applied areas of the field. It's shocking. 40lb difference!)

[furrowtickler]

My point had nothing to do with fertility.
Certain herbicides are creating a perfect environment for fusarium to become a far more exaggerated problem than it should be and that weather and rotation are not the only culprits.
And yes everyone knows the more fertility you use the higher the chance of higher crop disease if conditions are right , that’s just basic agronomy.
Fusarium has spread like wildfire across western Canada .... and it’s not solely weather. Yes last year in cereal fusarium was low in general, and most areas had high yields and non existent fusarium.
Most did not spray fungicide as it was a waste of time . But this was not about wheat at all . Actually it got derailed a lot from the original post lol.

[bgmb]

We sure did get off course guess we were agreeing too much so you guys had to start in with you theories on gylphosate, fisarium and so on. Klause in all fairness can you call what you did Organic. Organic is 3 years transition with no conventional inputs. Also I am sure many farms can cut fert for one or 2 years and experience little to no yield loss but you will mine fertility. Remember exhaust injection.... The exhaust worked good for a couple years lol... I guess if you are on mostly rented land.... If i was a landlord my worst fear would be an organic farmer.

[farmaholic]

Ya it got off track, but want to add there is a well heeled farm not far from here in the gumbo that is going "organic". These aren't the type of people who are afraid to spend a dollar in the field. They will intercrop, plowdown, and do some of the things others talk about. I highly doubt these guys are hurting.... far from broke but see a trend and opportunity evolving.

Organic got a bad wrap from past poor organic farming practices, Listen to some of the things hobbyfrmr does. IMO, things have changed in that arena. It may not always look pretty but.... The only thing that I wouldn't like much about it would be the use of tillage. I know black isn't beautiful anymore and I don't think they make it absolutely black without trash on top anymore either, I hope(?!?!?!?!?).

I know guys who will throw in the fungicide at herbicide time, or spray at the "right time(timing only)" for fusarium, sclerotinia, or ascochyta/anthracnose, etc, EVEN IF IT DOESN'T WARRANT IT OR JUSTIFY IT..... just because!!!! **** me!! And no one loves this more than the local retailers..... they love to get the "panic and sense of urgency" fueled.... well so and so is doing it. Just one guy is all it takes sometimes!



AgCelence.....LOL.