Looks like 4 more years of the Big Dyke in Toronto

[sumdumguy]

Moral bankruptcy of politicians. What used to be swept under the rug has now become an open secret. Why would you run if you had these skeletons? It seems only Trump can get away with sexual assault. It is too bad the cons did not vet him better. Ontario needs a shake-up from years of mis -management.

Even if you didn't have "these skeletons" in your closet, you are a target because people can make false accusations, you are judged in the court of public opinion, and the accusers are not prosecuted for the false accusations. Sad but true. The dark side of human nature usually wins.

If you were a genuine sexual predator, you deserve the full brunt of the law, but to be accused of some slight impropriety going back several years, maybe something you said, seems totally unfair.

[agstar77]

What is your definition of a slight impropriety? What may have been overlooked 10 years ago is not acceptable now. What advantage is gained by these people coming forward now? Get over it ,reality bites.

[bobofthenorth]

There's no excuse for sexual abuse. If Patrick really is dirty then he had to go. I agree that the timing is suspicious but I don't agree that it is necessarily fatal. If the Conservative Party manages this well, moves quickly into a leadership campaign with some strong candidates and builds momentum into the election it could all turn out very well. It is only a victory for the Whiner if the Cons mismanage it. This can be spun positively and I don't think Brown was that strong a candidate to begin with. It all depends what happens in the next 2 or 3 days.

[tweety]

What is your definition of a slight impropriety? What may have been overlooked 10 years ago is not acceptable now. What advantage is gained by these people coming forward now? Get over it ,reality bites.

Holy shit!

[the big wheel]

somehow maybe the laws have to change to reflect this is such a. Wide spread problem. If you come forward and apologize and admit then not as much punishment but if you don't come forward double the punishment.
If you make an allegation that is false you get the same as the double punishment

Something has to be done to deal with all the past things coming out daily.

[farmaholic]

The courts could never handle it. There's no doubt some stupid shit happened/happens. And the marches gave awareness of the issue and gave those who felt abused the courage to come forward. I don't like the " get over it" attitude but what is the realistic solution? Will amorous looks towards someone your interested in or an innocent touch be treated the same as preying on or raping someone? Or where between those two extremes will the line be drawn.....!

Sounds like a whole new meaning to "fifty shades of gray

[GDR]

What is your definition of a slight impropriety? What may have been overlooked 10 years ago is not acceptable now. What advantage is gained by these people coming forward now? Get over it ,reality bites.

Agree Agstar.

In this case the allegations are of an unwanted sexual advance. I don't know what that is, googled it can't find an explanation. If that means attempted **** yep it could be traumatic, if it means he told her she looked pretty and she didn't want to hear it not that big of a deal.

[blackpowder]

My 2 cents. I was going to leave this one alone as our society has started calling everyone a Nazi as a rebuttal to everything. Liberal tactic.But this is what wienerville is for.
**** by definition is a violent crime. Enough said.
Treating other people rudely is usually handled by societal norms and peer pressure.
A lot (not all) of the behaviour making the news lately falls into the latter category. Excluding those women who felt intense career pressure to 'get along'.
I realize the two sexes are different. But if you want equality then both need to use a little common sense. One has to grow up and the other have to grow a pair.

[farmaholic]

Secretly performed consensual sex can be twisted into ****....

Sincerely, the evil Devil's Advocate.

[burnt]

Perhaps this will actually work to the Ontario Conservative's benefit:

- they move quickly to appoint (or elect?) an interim leader

- any female candidate chosen would be about unassailable

- they run on a minimalist platform with their interim leader

- the PCs win because Wynne is doomed by about any other party leader

- PCs elect a party leader after election

The PCs win with nobody as leader.

Moral of the story? Nobody beats Wynne.

(Full Credit to my barrister buddy)

Brown wasn't that well liked. Could this even have been an inside hatchet job?

If the PCs play it right, they could land a majority without a full-time party leader! And after the election, put in the person who will be best for the province, rather than someone with only pc curb appeal.