Anyone following this ?

[burnt]

So what you are saying is you should have made the decision for her because you know what is best for everyone?

Show me where I said that tweety. And then we will proceed from there.

[chuckChuck]

For decades pro life organizations were in denial about the consequences of denying women the right to choose. By outlawing abortions, they pushed women to seek abortions that put women's lives at risk. That doesn't seem pro life to me.

Fortunately they now have the option of the abortion pill Mifegymiso that will make it much easier and safer.

No one thinks abortion is a good thing. But Pro Life organizations have often included those who oppose sex education in the schools. Teaching all kids about sex, contraception, relationships and family planning is the best defense against unwanted pregnancy and will reduce the need for abortions.

This does not stop families and faith groups from teaching their own values.

[quadtrac]

It just saddens me to read this how any human can deny a precious little baby their right to live just feels like a sick nightmare to me.
Obviously this abortion issue has been settled but maybe this is a good thing to stir this up again. Not just on agriville because there’s only a handful of people that actually read this. But perhaps it’ll stir up some support for the God given rights of those precious little humans that are being murdered.
I just can’t wrap my mind around how ANYONE is ok with that.

[tweety]

Kinda missed the point about biology and all that, but then selective science is okay and normal for your kind.

Also indicates the complete lack compassion and conscience.

Wear your name tag proudly there tweety.

Why does allowing people to make their own decision cause you to be so angry and judgemental?

Why must you control everyone around you to think and be just as you do?

[Sheepwheat]

It just saddens me to read this how any human can deny a precious little baby their right to live just feels like a sick nightmare to me.
Obviously this abortion issue has been settled but maybe this is a good thing to stir this up again. Not just on agriville because there’s only a handful of people that actually read this. But perhaps it’ll stir up some support for the God given rights of those precious little humans that are being murdered.
I just can’t wrap my mind around how ANYONE is ok with that.

It is a sickening sign of society. We simply have loose morals, and the slope is getting steeper. One only needs to watch the news a bit to see how western society is going to pot. It is going to be our downfall.

I do not get it either, especially those who are alive and weren’t aborted, and also those who have kids, and have seen video of the little “blob” floating around in mommy’s tummy. The blob with arms legs, and a heartbeat.

[sumdumguy]

Why does allowing people to make their own decision cause you to be so angry and judgemental?

Why must you control everyone around you to think and be just as you do?

Peopla also make decisions to kill drug dealers who control their daughters. Their decisions do affect other people. There are people who defend the rights of the most helpless and those who decide to kill them. Which person would I rather rub shoulders with? Someday I too will be helpless again and I hope there will be compassion.

[tweety]

Sheepwheat, why have you failed in enabling rights of the fetus? Its been a lot of years since M act was struck down.

We can argue forever here, won't change anything.

[foragefarmer]

Just wondering how posters (mainly rural men) on here feel they know what's right for women, regarding pro choice here in Canada. They come across as being devoted Christians and put themselves on sort of moral high ground which they feel gives them the right to pass judgement on women.

You don't know the facts of each and every women making the decision regarding an abortion. There are many different situations, some dealing with medical issues, ****, incest, the list goes on and on. Yet you post on Agriville calling these women murders.

With posts like that coming from a few on here just keep in mind when you make comments about women having an abortion:

"Do not judge lest you be judged. For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you. — Matthew 7:1-2"

Not a man of faith myself, but it's not hard to find a Bible verse on Google which you men of faith should keep in mind, as may reduce your chance of getting into the Holy land one day!

[Blaithin]

I was having a recent discussion with some Kiwi pals and it turned towards their PM who recently revealed she was pregnant. The conversation revolved around it being bad timing and how women in office have said that their respective countries/offices are priorities so they shouldn't be having children during that time. A bunch of garbage in and of itself but it leading from this enlightening tidbit....

What is the alternative for women in positions of power (or other areas so deemed as to be too important to divide attention between work and a child).

- Should they all be post menopausal and past child bearing years.
- Should they swear to abstain from sexual relations while in that office.
- Should they commit to a monitored regime of some form of birth control during their term.
- If birth control should fail, as it can and does, are they then forced to get an abortion.

After these completely irrational options are considered, at what point do we decide that it's none of our business how to run a woman's life and make choices for her. Only one person has that right, and that is the woman herself.


Again, does anyone who is opposing pro choice do it with absolutely no link to religion? As I've yet to talk to anyone who is pro life and not backing it up with religious reasoning.

For instance, when is life there. When blood flows? When a heart beats? When a brain is alive? In modern medicine bodies can live without hearts on bypass. They can also live without brain activity. Can't last long without blood flow though so I guess that must be the definition of life. But consciousness and the idea of souls is not linked to flowing blood, it's linked to the mind and heart... And if you remove the human conscious and the concept of souls from the equation (which is pretty much what religion stands on), then you don't have anything that's any different from aborting cattle or sheep.

Religion places humans above all other animals, but biology places us as equals. You're only being hypocritical if you're applying standards of morality to people but not animals. Why are some moralities, like abuse and cruelty, applicable to animals but not others, like abortion. Take religion out of the equation and there is no logical reason.

[farmaholic]

Dip the toe in.

If abortion was against the law, would there ever be a time it should be an option? Pregnancy as a result of **** or incest. Severe congenital defects of the fetus. Mother's life at risk. Child defects from mother's substance abuse. Baby factory mothers.

Now it is likely as much about a lifestyle choice as anything else I mentioned.

If abortion was illegal, is it fair to make the mother carry the pregnancy to term to surrender the child for adoption....regardless of congenital defects or harm to the child by the mother's lifestyle choices. What if she doesn't want to be pregnant (ya I know, they should have thought about that before), which brings up another question...what right does the biological father have if he wants the child? We know he's on the hook financially if he doesn't want the born child.

Some people even used to think that birth control was immoral.

Under the current laws...all redundant questions.....except maybe the father's rights.

Edit, sorry forage, I was typing when you posted, not trying to copy your comments.