Anyone following this ?

[tweety]

Lol. So our bible camp, which has never, and will never, lobby for anything, gets its summer students cut? Lol because we are forcing women to not kill their babies? Wow. I suggest you search a bit. I know exactly why this came about, and it is not as you say. Also, what happened to your towing the line that only groups whose “core causes” were anti abortion would be affected? What happened there?

Well then yes it will get cut since you disagree with the charter. You'll have to look elsewhere then the government of Canada.

Question for you then, why would you accept money from the government since your beliefs are completely different?

The whole statement reads:

“To be eligible, the core mandate of the organization must respect individual human rights in Canada, including the values underlying the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms (Charter) as well as other rights. These include reproductive rights and the right to be free from discrimination on the basis of sex, religion, race, national or ethnic origin, colour, mental or physical disability, sexual orientation or gender identity or expression.”

Would you hire any same sex couples? I'm thinking not. 1956 called, they want their discrimination and hatred back.

[tweety]

So it really is an interesting question, if your organization doesn't fully support the charter of rights and freedoms, should it get any funding from the government?

In no way does that prevent you from believing what you want.

[burnt]

What this thread has made clear is two things - 1) it's okay to violate the Charter, or parts thereof, when the left wants to, and 2) it's nearly impossible to uphold the basis of morality where it is outright rejected.

Talk about double standard - it's a Liberal thing.

tweety loves building a strawman. What a sad person.

[sumdumguy]

Not too "tweet". Our site has been highjacked by loony crack pots.

[burnt]

It appears that tweety et al are okay with Charter violations when their kind hold the hammer.

So in order to clear up this visual, tweety, answer this - do you support Charter rights for everyone or just those with whom you agree?

Be careful now. Because if Charter rights do not apply to all and we pick winners and losers, then we are living in a state controlled society, aka, dictatorship.

Oh wait - seems like our sock boy pm has made repeated public statements that would indicate his predisposition to that type of government...

Your turn, tweety.

Addendum:

I cannot find anywhere in the document that killing an unborn child (remember that full-term abortion is not illegal) is a Charter right.

One of the most broadly beneficial outcomes of the Reformation was the separation of Church and state. Trudeau 1 and trudum 2 have done more than any other Canadian leader in our history to undo that separation. This is merely the latest - and greatest - attempt of the state to subvert the Church into merely a subservient factotum of the Canadian landscape.

The reason? Rejecting (however subversively) the highest moral authority gives the sense of freedom from personal failure.

[Sheepwheat]

Well then yes it will get cut since you disagree with the charter. You'll have to look elsewhere then the government of Canada.

Question for you then, why would you accept money from the government since your beliefs are completely different?

The whole statement reads:

“To be eligible, the core mandate of the organization must respect individual human rights in Canada, including the values underlying the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms (Charter) as well as other rights. These include reproductive rights and the right to be free from discrimination on the basis of sex, religion, race, national or ethnic origin, colour, mental or physical disability, sexual orientation or gender identity or expression.”

Would you hire any same sex couples? I'm thinking not. 1956 called, they want their discrimination and hatred back.

I am looking for abortion in the charter. Can’t find it. Nor can I find transgender, or the letters lgtbq2 etc. Big hole there! We attested to the charter. We didn’t attest to the drivel, the add on, the last line, which is not in the charter, but is a liberal add on. Read it closely and maybe you can pick it up. The non charter rights add on. See how slippery they are? You missed it, didn’t you?lol

Would we hire gays? If they were christians, yes. But seeing ad it is tough to be gay and be Christian on a real level, it would be tough. Would you hire an accountant from Toronto to shovel your pig sty out? Would that be discrimination against torronto accountants if you thought they did not fit your goals?

Hatred? 1956? Lol. Faith is as alive now, as it was then, and we are called to not hate, like the Muslim book, but to love. Show me how our camp hates? Show me how it is like 1956. Since when can we ourselves not have the freedom to hire who we wish, given our goal?

[Sheepwheat]

What is so amusing in all this, is that dum dum has opened the abortion issue wide open, and ticked off the pro lifers to the point where they have great traction again with his attack on the charter. Liberals always blame cons for opening the debate. Well Justin, this is on you!

So tweety. Answer this. Why is the abortion lobby, who pushed for changes, telling trudope he went too far? Everyone, and I mean everyone can see through this thing. Even the abortionists who called for changes. They say it is wrong. What say you?

[tweety]

You can hire anyone you want, just don't expect government funding if you don't allow the Canadians you hire the rights and freedoms set out in the Charter.

The rest of the discussion is a smokescreen.

[tweety]

So tweety. Answer this. Why is the abortion lobby, who pushed for changes, telling trudope he went too far? Everyone, and I mean everyone can see through this thing. Even the abortionists who called for changes. They say it is wrong. What say you?

Need some reference to comment, not just an opinion.

The letter that started it alll.

http://www.arcc-cdac.ca/press/ARCC-CDAC-release-apr-10-17-english.pdf http://www.arcc-cdac.ca/press/ARCC-CDAC-release-apr-10-17-english.pdf

There is absolutely good arguments on both sides, there will only be one answer in the end.

reference to choice article.

http://nationalpost.com/news/politics/after-confusion-and-backlash-pro-choice-group-wants-rewrite-of-canada-summer-jobs-form http://nationalpost.com/news/politics/after-confusion-and-backlash-pro-choice-group-wants-rewrite-of-canada-summer-jobs-form

The question still remains - still, and is the only thing that really matters, how do you not fund groups lobbying with disturbing imagery, yet still able to fund your summer program - even though you don't respect the individuals you hire the rights and freedoms set out in the charter?

[sawfly1]

talk of freedom of religion.
believe what you want , but

it is quite simple, you just do not get funds if your views contradict the charter.
they are govt, funds not religious funds.

why do I want my tax dollars going to fund Christian or Islamic religions , that go against the
freedoms guaranteed by law

you should be happy islamist groups , in favor of stoning gays , gentile mutilation
will not get funding.

it is really not the role of govt. to fund any religion , little lone ones that disregard the charter.

it is bad enough , to have tax concessions for religions ,
where are my tax concessions for being non religious