Complexities of carbon sequestration.

[grassfarmer]

A couple thoughts on this Grassfarmer. The biggest consideration here is politics. Eastern Canada most use tillage, western Canada mostly no-till so carbon sequestration only happens in western Canada. Also seems to be related issues with forests being large carbon sinks some years, not so much in years with large forest fires. Also if farmers push for carbon credits does that open us to scrutiny on nitrogen emissions from fertilizer and manure or methane emissions from livestock. In your case sequestering carbon on managed grassland, if you push for recognition of this how do you argue against methane emissions. Every kg of methane is the same as 25 kg of C02 according to climate change proponents. According to the same proponents we only have 12-16 years left of emitting C02 at present rates before we meet our ceiling of C02 in the atmosphere, any more than that and we will excide our theoretical temperature rise of 1.5*C. Do you really believe that any country that signed onto the Paris accord will meet it's target?

Getting back to sequestration. I think provinces might implement some programming. Alberta has one, was in it for a couple years, didn't pay enough in my opinion to make it worthwhile, plus in wet years any cultivation to correct ruts or to dry soil disqualified those acres. Besides I don't agree with carbon taxes so I decided it was wrong to be payed for selling carbon credits.

One other question Grassfarmer, do you believe that the farming industry as a whole can become carbon neutral by 2030? Or society as a whole for that matter?

East/West politics are one consideration from a Governments point of view, but the timing issue is valid too - ie what Harper signed up for was to reduce emissions relative to 2005 levels so that does exclude a lot of the supposed benefits of zero till because it was being done prior to that. I am aware of this issue with grassland too - taking land out of annual crop and seeding to permanent forage changes sequestration levels suddenly - but it plateaus after a few years. Any discussion of agriculture and carbon sequestration involves considering emissions also - it has to or its a waste of time discussing. I think we should be pushing for this discussion and more research like that being quoted in the article I posted. I don't think this topic will go away if we hide from it or deny climate change. I'm not hopeful we can meet agreed targets in the short term or be carbon neutral by 2030 but we can certainly move in that direction and I believe we should.

Is this being perused in Canada ?
Grassy what’s your thoughts ?

Likely been perused by some, not being pursued in Canada though.
We've had this specific discussion about 3 times already so not worth rehashing it again.

[bucket]

Yeah, lets just keep whining that we aren't getting paid as much as we should for a service we don't even know if we are providing and ignore the facts and politics surrounding the issue. Always worked well in the past hasn't it?

Good questions but how did Trudeau artifically make up the price of carbon?

My wheat should be 20 bucks a bushel but for some reason its true value is determined by a commodity exchange whether I like it or not...

[SASKFARMER3]

Grass were not whining its just why shouldn't the group that pollutes the worst in Canada pay the ones who save the planet us farmers.

This was a mistake Brad made. If shit for brains wanted the carbon tax then Sure send the money in Billions back to Sask Alberta and Manitoba for the sins of BC Quebec and Ontario.

Yea the carbon tax would of been dead.

[Hamloc]

Grassfarmer, one simple question, how is your farm going to become carbon neutral by 2030 or beyond?

For myself it is in my opinion not achievable. One thing I did this winter was buy a sectional control aircart. I hope this will improve my efficiency by 5% or a bit more. In all honesty this was done to cope with rising costs and to eliminate lodging where the drill overlaps not to reduce emissions. Now I could install a grid-tie solar system for 40K, this would help a bit. I could switch to swath grazing instead of putting up hay and silage, this would help a bit. But I have a son working his way into the operation so we are trying to expand and farm more land, I see the chances of my farm being carbon neutral by 2030 as being zero. I guess I could retire and then I could probably reduce my carbon footprint close to zero lol. But my hope is my son would still be farming and the farms carbon footprint would be the same.

[the big wheel]

By2030 the earth will be so cold due to this carbon tax that all crops will freeze and we ll starve off.

[SASKFARMER3]

Grass that is a good question how will your farting cows get you to zero.

We now direct seed and use half the diesel as before. With work in fall work before seeding then harrow pack spray and harvest repeat.

We have changed all tractors to new DEF and Combines.

We roll bags and deliver.

We truck to nearest terminal thats 14 km away almost all the time.

Yes i drive out every day and after the folks are gone will probably spend my nights at the farm spring and summer.

Ill park the jet.

HA HAHAHAHAH

No ill still travel.

Basically all shops are newer and insulated up the zing sang and proper windows doors etc. All homes except the original is new tec. with energy efficient furnaces etc.

All grain drying is new systems.

So basically i think we did along to get our industry in line.

But again its a bullshit topic. Brought about by a one term Liberal party.

[grassfarmer]

Grassfarmer, one simple question, how is your farm going to become carbon neutral by 2030 or beyond? For myself it is in my opinion not achievable.

That would concur with my opinion which I gave in my previous post.

But again its a bullshit topic. Brought about by a one term Liberal party.

Not at all - this is an ongoing global issue that would need addressing regardless who is in power in Canada as was evidenced by the Harper administrations actions. See quotes below from 2007.

"Preserving the environment is one of the top themes of Finance Minister Jim Flaherty’s federal budget. The plan includes $4.5 billion in spending to clean our air and water, reduce greenhouse gases and combat climate change, as well as protect our natural environment. "

"Environment Minister John Baird unveils new targets to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and air pollution across the Canadian economy. The Conservative plan proposes to give companies the possibility of meeting their targets by paying a $15 carbon tax per tonne of emissions that would go into a fund supporting the development of new technologies."

Canada's carbon tax - brought to you originally by the PCs.

[furrowtickler]

That would concur with my opinion which I gave in my previous post.





Not at all - this is an ongoing global issue that would need addressing regardless who is in power in Canada as was evidenced by the Harper administrations actions. See quotes below from 2007.

"Preserving the environment is one of the top themes of Finance Minister Jim Flaherty’s federal budget. The plan includes $4.5 billion in spending to clean our air and water, reduce greenhouse gases and combat climate change, as well as protect our natural environment. "

"Environment Minister John Baird unveils new targets to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and air pollution across the Canadian economy. The Conservative plan proposes to give companies the possibility of meeting their targets by paying a $15 carbon tax per tonne of emissions that would go into a fund supporting the development of new technologies."

Canada's carbon tax - brought to you originally by the PCs.

The “possibility “ of paying $15 a tonne is different than $50 .. lol

[furrowtickler]

With the “possibility to go to $200

[burnt]

Which farmer representatives? As far as I've seen only the NFU and KAP here in MB are addressing the issue of climate change/mitigation/carbon sequestration. Most of the rest are ignoring the issue or claiming climate change doesn't exist which would appear to agree with the consensus of the minority of farmers who happen to post on Agriville. Can't have it both ways - can't cry out for money for helping address the problem and at the same time argue there is no problem!

Even if you had an ounce of credibility, your post would be senseless. Your buffoonery makes it just rather sad.

[Hamloc]

Grassfarmer, I must have missed it, I have never seen anyone on here specifically lay out how they plan to become carbon neutral on their farm. Not trying to be confrontational just interested in how you intend to achieve it.

Furrow not only possible that it would go to $200 under Trudeau and Butts almost certain imo.

[Klause]

I don't think any of you realize...



None of our competitors have a abon tax. Rven Australia got rid of it.



We won't be farming in 2030 if the tax stays and goes to $200 a tonne.