In defense of sustainable energy.

[chuckChuck]

We all know wind and solar are intermittent. But if it is used correctly it will reduce the use of fossil energy when it is producing. Isn't that the goal?

You need to have baseload that can be ramped up and down quickly.

Storage for renewables are being developed and implemented as we speak.

Germany and Denmark use much high percentages of renewables. How can they do that if they don't work? Germany the strongest economy in Europe who has dropped nuclear and switched to a lot of renewables and some more coal. They must be failures right! LOL

You guys are just so negative about anything that doesn't fit your narrow political view of the world.

It is a waste of time trying to have a discussion.

[SASKFARMER3]

Chuck explain what is wrong with taking a river and building a dam to control flooding and save water produce power have recreation and irrigation all positives vs a ugly spinning turbine that kills every thing near it and costs so much to create.

Yea no discussion here

Solar panels are so nice to look at huge fields of black

[AlbertaFarmer5]

We all know wind and solar are intermittent. But if it is used correctly it will reduce the use of fossil energy when it is producing. Isn't that the goal?

You need to have baseload that can be ramped up and down quickly.

Storage for renewables are being developed and implemented as we speak.

Germany and Denmark use much high percentages of renewables. How can they do that if they don't work? Germany the strongest economy in Europe who has dropped nuclear and switched to a lot of renewables and some more coal. They must be failures right! LOL

You guys are just so negative about anything that doesn't fit your narrow political view of the world.

It is a waste of time trying to have a discussion.

So, starting a thread entirely devoted to stating why I think we need to switch to sustainable energy, and attempting to justify it, then offering potential solutions for funding this research is narrow minded and negative? I think we have the same goals, we just disagree on the means and the justification. Your response leads me to believe that your position is entirely about ideology, and has nothing to do with actual results.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

We all know wind and solar are intermittent. But if it is used correctly it will reduce the use of fossil energy when it is producing. Isn't that the goal?

You need to have baseload that can be ramped up and down quickly.

Storage for renewables are being developed and implemented as we speak.

Germany and Denmark use much high percentages of renewables. How can they do that if they don't work? Germany the strongest economy in Europe who has dropped nuclear and switched to a lot of renewables and some more coal. They must be failures right! LOL

You guys are just so negative about anything that doesn't fit your narrow political view of the world.

It is a waste of time trying to have a discussion.

Germany and Denmark are perfect examples of the failure of the current use of solar and wind. here is a visual of their electricity costs compared to other countries, highest.


https://www.ovoenergy.com/guides/energy-guides/average-electricity-prices-kwh.html http://https://www.ovoenergy.com/guides/energy-guides/average-electricity-prices-kwh.html
And this is how insignificant the contribution of solar and wind is for all that additional cost:

https://www.energy-charts.de/power.htm https://www.energy-charts.de/power.htm

That doesn't look like a solution, it looks like the end of the industrialized world once fossil fuels are unable to keep up to demand. We need to find better solutions before our entire power supply looks like the little yellow bumps on Germany's graph, and our costs even worse. That is what the status quo will get us, I demand better.

[Hamloc]

Germany and Denmark are perfect examples of the failure of the current use of solar and wind. here is a visual of their electricity costs compared to other countries, highest.
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https://www.ovoenergy.com/guides/energy-guides/average-electricity-prices-kwh.html http://https://www.ovoenergy.com/guides/energy-guides/average-electricity-prices-kwh.html
And this is how insignificant the contribution of solar and wind is for all that additional cost:

https://www.energy-charts.de/power.htm https://www.energy-charts.de/power.htm

That doesn't look like a solution, it looks like the end of the industrialized world once fossil fuels are unable to keep up to demand. We need to find better solutions before our entire power supply looks like the little yellow bumps on Germany's graph, and our costs even worse. That is what the status quo will get us, I demand better.

Good job AB5, I was going to point out that these 2 countries have the most expensive power. Also worth noting while Australia as a whole has a price of 29 cents per kwh, the state of South Austrailia pays 47cents per kwh. This is the same state Elon Musk built the world's largest storage battery to help cope with brown outs. Reality bites Chuck!

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Good job AB5, I was going to point out that these 2 countries have the most expensive power. Also worth noting while Australia as a whole has a price of 29 cents per kwh, the state of South Austrailia pays 47cents per kwh. This is the same state Elon Musk built the world's largest storage battery to help cope with brown outs. Reality bites Chuck!

We keep being told that wind and solar are cost competitive, but real world numbers such as those above just don't seem to reflect that. No explanations are forthcoming from people like Chuck, they just keep repeating that it is cost competitive while hurling insulting names and criticizing the intelligence of those of us who don't believe that.