Teachers with guns?

[Sheepwheat]

Well it is not like tougher gun laws are going to solve this one. So I think it is what has to happen. I have always felt that if a gunman came to the school I attended, i and a bunch of other hunter/farm kids, would have stormed the shooter. People have such a lack of understanding about guns. Sitting there and hiding like sitting ducks, just makes it easier for the shooter. Guns, all guns have limitations, need reloading, need space to operate and swing. There are points in time when storming the gunman would be effective.

Now, to those fearful of guns, arming teachers is scary. To those of us with understanding of guns, it is the only way, in a culture where this is all too frequent.

I am so glad my kids school is armed to the teeth, and that all the students in our school, know and respect guns, and know how to use them.

In the states, there are many times when the presence of weaponry has alleviated far more carnage.

I truly do not understand the fear of arming teachers, or at least have dedicated guards posted. I guess we could just leave it as it is, and close our eyes and pretend tougher gun laws will save us. To those people, I say, good luck and best wishes.

[GDR]

Not sure there is a good action plan here. Teachers could cause more death in some situations or could go nuts themselves with a gun close by. More security at school also costs major dollars and causes major headaches and likely wouldn't help much either unless every child is escorted to and from home. Hundreds of kids leaving the school at the end of the day just as easy of a target on the sidewalk.

Not right for children to grow up in an environment where they are scared of this type of threat, even just the security etc in the school must leave an imprint on their minds forever about our world.

I like guns and agree that people kill people not guns, but oh my they have a problem. Absolutely the age to purchase needs to be higher. And no history of mental illness individuals should be able to buy. And even in this case the police where warned and did nothing, maybe the solution should start there with giving the cops absolute authority to take guns away right then and there, no questions asked.

Whoever said video games and movies are not to blame needs to give their head a shake and watch some or better yet watch some teenagers play them. So real, and people not just kids get so immersed in them they don't know what's real and what's not.

To take firearms away from people is wrong but if you live in a city with no where to safely discharge one you shouldn't have one. The automatic stuff should only be allowed at gun ranges if at all.

I heard one time there were more people than guns in USA so how you gonna take them away, nobody that might be a problem is gonna turn them in.

Other than actual true hunting guns, all others should have an insane high tax on them of thousands of dollars to discourage people buying and that tax money could be used to buy and destroy guns back from people to get guns out of communities.

[farmaholic]

Whoever said video games and movies are not to blame needs to give their head a shake and watch some or better yet watch some teenagers play them. So real, and people not just kids get so immersed in them they don't know what's real and what's not.

If some TV, movies and video games are a true reflection of our society, we are ****ed.
They may not be the only problem but I believe some are a huge negative cultural affect and cause of social rot.
The numbing affect....

[foragefarmer]

GDR


"Whoever said video games and movies are not to blame needs to give their head a shake and watch some or better yet watch some teenagers play them. So real, and people not just kids get so immersed in them they don't know what's real and what's not."


Yes, and let's get rid of the Enternet, Google, Iphones, and any form of communication. Billions of Billion of people using them everyday and their all mass murders.

I just burn my Black Sabbath and Iron Maiden (especially the "Number of the Beast" as it may start the devil worshiping) records this morning because my kids started to listen to them this week!

[15444]

Have said since Columbine, teachers should be armed. Pussification of US people has gone too far, no one wants to stand up for themselves anymore. Need to be protected from everything. Hate to see US turn into Canada.

[Braveheart]

Arming teachers is beyond a bad idea. I don't know a teacher that couldn't be disarmed by one or more students and the gun then in students hands. Most teachers I have known had more mental issues than these deranged shooters, so a gun in their hands? No thanks. Shooting well, especially in a tactical situation is a perishable skill, one that requires training and constant practice.

Re guns, what is an assault rifle? I can tell most of you have no grasp of that. Yesterday's so called assault rifles are today's hunting /sporting weapons. It has always been this way sin flintlock times. This more evident than ever with the AR platforms. ARs are wonderful to shoot. They handle and acquire targets wonderfully. Tell me what is the difference between an AR and a semi auto Winchester, Browning, Remington, whatever hunting rifle besides adjustable stocks and pistol grips? No difference.

South of me in US, every farmhouse had an old lever action or Grandpa's Springfield or Garand from the war. Now they have daddy's AR from the war. Same up here but replace Springfield with Lee Enfield.

Just go to a gun show in Canada and be prepared for shock at the people you see. We have guns here, lots,of guns.

This prompts the question, why do these mass shootings not happen here? Why is this mostly an American phenomenon?

Banning guns like Liberal left wants isn't the answer, but arming teachers is a real bad idea.

[GDR]

Forage


Yes, and let's get rid of the Enternet, Google, Iphones, and any form of communication. Billions of Billion of people using them everyday and their all mass murders.

I just burn my Black Sabbath and Iron Maiden (especially the "Number of the Beast" as it may start the devil worshiping) records this morning because my kids started to listen to them this week![/QUOTE]



Both those paragraphs are terrific ideas, don't think it's gonna happen but I've been hoping the Internet was gonna die since the late 90s. All the tech we use everyday most people feel makes our world better but I don't agree. We are raising a bunch of social misfits that would rather stay away from direct contact and sit in a dark basement playing destruction type games by themselves hoping someone gives them a few "likes" on social media or else they become suicidal.

Not all are like that, and tech is not bad on its own but society and parents need to give proper guidance and support to go with these things and that part is not happening enough of the time.

Disclaimer here is yes I've likely screwed up my kids too!! In many ways.

[fjlip]

This is so sad, did any of you WORRY about gunmen in your schools? The thought NEVER crossed any one's mind in my day. Feel sorry for today's youth, especially in USA. Stress to the MAX.

[stubblejumper]

Look how well strict gun control works in Mexico, the cartel likes it that way they have all the guns. In Australia ultra strict gun control had little to no efect on murder, violent crime and even suicide. Do you honestly think criminals are going to register or turn in their guns? A gun safe full of AR's in the teachers lounge not a bad idea.

80% of gun violence in Mexico can be linked to American guns

[Oliver88]

If some TV, movies and video games are a true reflection of our society, we are ****ed.
They may not be the only problem but I believe some are a huge negative cultural affect and cause of social rot.
The numbing affect....

Yes as ultra Liberal Hollywood looks down on the second amendment and lectures the peasants they cash in on every movie showing people blowing eachothers brains out......the video game industry and rap music is as bad at glorifying the lifestyles of gang bangers.
I do think the biggest issue and common denominator is boys who grow up without a father/broken home.

I’m not sure of the details of the La Loche SK school shooting last year that killed 4-5 and injured more......but would assume there could have been a broken home involved.

[biglentil]

80% of gun violence in Mexico can be linked to American guns

But for American guns would the drug violence in mexico still exist? Your fooling yourself to think that it wouldnt. The US might be easiest route but im sure they would find other routes. Hell a small competent machine shop could manufacture an AR from scratch, and they do. There are literally 100's of different AR manufacturers, the tech is 60 years old. Pretty tough putting the genie back in the bottle. GL

Only mentally competent and trained teachers need apply. Give em pepper spray or a tazer at a minimum then, something so they can protect a classroom of sitting ducks.

[MBgrower]

any of you on this forum have a wife or daughter that is a teacher? Do you want them carrying guns and held with the responsibility of having to kill someone? Are they mentally capable of killing another person, and how will it affect them emotionally for the rest of their lives? how often do we here of police, and soldiers having mental issues after such experience and they train for this, teachers do not. The USA gun lobby are a bunch of nuts.

[Guest]

any of you on this forum have a wife or daughter that is a teacher? Do you want them carrying guns and held with the responsibility of having to kill someone? Are they mentally capable of killing another person, and how will it affect them emotionally for the rest of their lives? how often do we here of police, and soldiers having mental issues after such experience and they train for this, teachers do not. The USA gun lobby are a bunch of nuts.

No I sure don't . No they are not capable of killing , pstd after a kill ??
No one thought this through at all ?
Dumbest thing I ever heard of ?
Start with getting rid of the guns that are designed for killing people only , a machine gun has no use on the farm , on the gun range , or for hunting ?
It won't solve the problem might stop a few wing nuts

[blackpowder]

Braveheart writes factually and better than I can.

[biglentil]

The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. Imagine if the Sergeant at Arms Kevin Vickers wasnt there to shoot the terrorist on parliment hill. The stat about how many lives he saved that day will never be listed because nobody knows.