Putin and Versatile/Rostelmash a view from the Russian side

[bucket]

And what's different here....inputs are insane. ...crop prices are controlled by 5 families....


We are margin farmers....it's really no different at the end of the day.....

Farmers are wealth creators for anyone but themselves....

[Jagfarms]

Another thing our worker from Ukraine was amazed about is how fast we can get parts for machinery here in Saskatchewan.

That took him a while to get used to. In ukraine when something broke it was hard to get parts for and they would have to try to repair or modify things to work as it was hard to get parts and if they did get parts a lot of them are very poor quality.

When he first come here it took him a while to get used to the idea that we can go get a new part and replace with new part.
The price of parts in ukraine is the most likely the same price or more than here in Canada. The wages are very low in Ukraine. They would work for 12 hours trying to build or repair a part that cost $20 and their wages paid for 12 hours would still be less than the part they fixed.

Took him a while here to realize that we don’t work 12 hours on something that cost $20 to buy new When the wage is $20-$25 hour for the worker.

[Crestliner]

Good post JAG, I believe your worker is correct and is not exaggerating. My understanding is that Russia and Ukraine have deep fissures that may never be corrected or healed.

If you want to farm there, in addition to having the tools of farming, you need an armed and trained militia to protect yourself and your assets. Such a waste of time and resources.

The basis of their population is that there is rampant thievery, a very suspicious people and there is no trust.

A proper functioning capitalistic system needs to operate on trust and the rule of law and the right to private property. Anything less is dysfunctional and very inefficient.

Even though we have in Canada the issues of some bad actors, overall we operate on trust and goodwill and people have good hearts and want to do well and live peacefully with each other.

In Russia and Ukraine, generations of government expropriation and corruption have led to hard hearts in their men. I feel sorry for them, given their natural resources, there is a lot of potential unrealized and will continue....so I don’t worry too much about Ukraine, Russia and the Black Sea being too competitive.

This Sunday morning, if you are so inclined, we need to thank our fathers, grandfathers or great grandfathers and thank them for coming here to this great land, enduring hardships but having a vision that I am enjoying today.

We have trust and good hearts in this Country and even though things are not perfect here, there are enough good people to make changes slowly that will make it even better here.

[bucket]

If you have ever bought parts ....it's easy to identify who the thieves are....

[Bowerpower]

Point is that the Russians are out competing us plain and simple. Does it matter the corruption there? No it doesn’t. They get their product to market cheaper than we can.

[Crestliner]

Russians are not out competing us.....they are doing a good job of making propaganda newscast and pretending to be something they are not....it’s part of their corruption and corruption leads to ultimate failure.

Putin as been around for almost 20 years...and opposition seems to rise and and then disappear....hmmm wonder why and where do they all go...After 20 years he is just getting around to the farm issues....

Russian GDP $US 8000 per person
Canada GDP $US 42000 per person.

Don’t loose any sleep worrying about Russia taking over our grain markets....put your energy in fixing our system.

[foragefarmer]

"Point is that the Russians are out competing us plain and simple. Does it matter the corruption there? No it doesn’t. They get their product to market cheaper than we can."

Location, location, location. So do you have any suggestions as to how we can move product cheaper to China. Trump put tariffs on steel and aluminum is agriculture next? Then what?

As for corruption mattering or not ask the farmers the above posters mentioned. Thanks Jag and Crest


I would sooner believe the word of the actual farmers then some B.S. internet posting from Klaus. When you call him out on it he cries, and expects everybody to agree with him. Grow a couple true Canadians already have them!

[Bowerpower]

"Point is that the Russians are out competing us plain and simple. Does it matter the corruption there? No it doesn’t. They get their product to market cheaper than we can."

Location, location, location. So do you have any suggestions as to how we can move product cheaper to China. Trump put tariffs on steel and aluminum is agriculture next? Then what?

As for corruption mattering or not ask the farmers the above posters mentioned. Thanks Jag and Crest


I would sooner believe the word of the actual farmers then some B.S. internet posting from Klaus. When you call him out on it he cries, and expects everybody to agree with him. Grow a couple true Canadians already have them!

The easiest solution would be upgrading infrastructure. Rail mostly. And get some true competition on those railways.

[foragefarmer]

The easiest solution would be upgrading infrastructure. Rail mostly. And get some true competition on those railways.

You really think it's that easy and makes us closer to China? Russia and China border each other. Two communist countries. Competition, there are two railways in Canada, like true capitalist they have eliminated all the other competition. Sort of what Putin has done in Russia politically.

More railway companies moving north is a pipe dream the major railways of North America have it all worked out. You think their going to listen to Western Canadian farmers who act like a bunch of cats trying to be herded up? Wake up you guys!

[Klause]

The easiest solution would be upgrading infrastructure. Rail mostly. And get some true competition on those railways.

You really think it's that easy and makes us closer to China? Russia and China border each other. Two communist countries. Competition, there are two railways in Canada, like true capitalist they have eliminated all the other competition. Sort of what Putin has done in Russia politically.

More railway companies moving north is a pipe dream the major railways of North America have it all worked out. You think their going to listen to Western Canadian farmers who act like a bunch of cats trying to be herded up? Wake up you guys!

Almost sounds like communism doesn't it...

Two railways do as they please keep a country and it's industry hostage to their whims and profit margins.


Forage one day I'd like to meet you and you say what you say on here to me in person. I don't think you'll dare.


You know what happens when you get blown up at 4 years old and just about killed? You grow one heck of a tough skin and your mind builds new pathways to cope. You learn to survive and thrive in any conditions.


Something you'd never understand.


Just like you don't get that those prized freedoms we once had are getting eroded by the day. Yet there's too many like you pointing fingers and laughing at others and beating your chests saying we're so much better - not realizing that the society you're so proud of is crumbling beneath your feet because you have no capacity to fight to protect it.


I'm not crying. I'm stating a cold hard fact. You don't contribute to this board you just attack certain members, mostly out of hate and spite and ignorance.


Even in this thread.... I never said a word about farming in Russia. I posted the video to show a side of Russia we don't often see here...

You're obviously Ukrainian... And as all people from that part of the world you're passionate about your country... And Russia has done many things to the Ukrainian people that are abhorrent.

The fact of the matter, that Russia is building out their capacity, and production ability does not change.


A confederation or republic is not a necessary precursor to grain production.

Our system has become totally corrupt. Look at who lobbies government. Watch and read what is said at committee hearings.

Ever wonder why the family of your FCC or bank rep all of a sudden ends up with certain pieces of dirt before anybody ever knew it was for sale?

Finally, we are in the business of feeding people. We need to make friends and strong ties to the countries with large populations and the money to pay for the food we can provide. India, China, Korea, Thailand come to mind. And we need to understand our competitors strengths and weaknesses. Thus why I post here. To broaden people's horizons and understanding of the greater world around us.

[bgmb]

Klause,

Russia is way behind us. If you were to farm there you would need a security fence around the yard and 24h security. I have looked at the versy combine if looks like it was welded together by a high school student. I know what you are saying about having an open mind and I agree its good to look at ideas from other places and ppl for sure but be careful the grass isnt always greener somewhere else

[samhill]

Well said Klause, I enjoy your views, but I like to see everyone’s for the most part.
My thots are similar, but I don’t have your background. It bothers me that Churchill port is abandoned and I suspect Pioneer, Cargill, etc have a finger in it. With the opening of the Northwest Passage we could access Far East markets. Don’t see it happening in my lifetime, admittedly small time frame.
Still, need opinions from all sides.
Thanks