Putin and Versatile/Rostelmash a view from the Russian side

[Klause]

Klause,

Russia is way behind us. If you were to farm there you would need a security fence around the yard and 24h security. I have looked at the versy combine if looks like it was welded together by a high school student. I know what you are saying about having an open mind and I agree its good to look at ideas from other places and ppl for sure but be careful the grass isnt always greener somewhere else

Russia is way behind us... ? Except they have high speed passenger trains. A military with modern equipment. And the ability to grow their ag export capacity by our entire production in 5 years.


Different social structures and capacities do not equate to them being behind us just different.

Again... Since apparently you too can't read... Who said anything about moving to Russia to farm.


This is about us having new competition. And so far our official stance and that of a bunch of producers is were way better and smarter than them so it doesnt matter".

Well said Klause, I enjoy your views, but I like to see everyone’s for the most part.
My thots are similar, but I don’t have your background. It bothers me that Churchill port is abandoned and I suspect Pioneer, Cargill, etc have a finger in it. With the opening of the Northwest Passage we could access Far East markets. Don’t see it happening in my lifetime, admittedly small time frame.
Still, need opinions from all sides.
Thanks

As do I! Debate is awesome. I just get miffed when people attack me personally with things that aren't true. Debate ideas. Don't attack people.

[sumdumguy]

The same Paul Martin that had a shipping fleet in Bermuda 🇧🇲 ?

I wasn't very pleased with Chretien when he was in but what would it take to get him and Paul Martin back?
Gotta say Harper was a disaster for farmers. Demolished and sat there grinning - buffoon!

[bgmb]

All I am getting at is Things arent as rosy in Russia and some other second tier countries as you may suggest. The media is highly controlled in Russia you probably wont see Putin allowing a lot of negative stories out. The reality on the ground is not rosy IMO.

[farmaholic]

We have an affluent complacency problem in Canada. No goals and aspirations. No vision for tomorrow. An elitist entitled attitude. Generations that built wealth to a certain point are now gone, in retirement or winding down....successors standing on coat tails along for the ride or living off the fruits of their predecessors labour. A general lack of appreciation for what was built and developed and no apparent desire to maintain, grow or improve what is.

Look around you and see how things are managed and the lack of pride in the quality or quantity of work performed and what is expected in return.....less for more! Too many expect, and want, something for nothing.

A social disease that is permeating our National well-being.

[farmaholic]

All I am getting at is Things arent as rosy in Russia and some other second tier countries as you may suggest. The media is highly controlled in Russia you probably wont see Putin allowing a lot of negative stories out. The reality on the ground is not rosy IMO.

Propaganda is a very powerful tool.........

[foragefarmer]

"Forage one day I'd like to meet you and you say what you say on here to me in person. I don't think you'll dare."

I really have no desire to meet you in the least but I would say what's on my mind if it happened. Right back at you "you say what you say on here" but would you say it in front of other? BESIDES WHY WON'T DARE TO? As for hating you that sounds like something for Twitter and Facebook, we're on a chatline with fellow farmers, you bad mouth Canada when ever you can and in your mind you justify that as contributing to Agriville. Do you read some of the treads on here, are you serious about contributing. I personally don't need to put down in print my accomplishment as a farmer and a Canadian and where I've traveled, what I grow, most guys don't give a shit and that's not my style. You take yourself and Agriville a little to serious!

Maybe if your ancestor died and fought for this country you wouldn't be daring me about anything!!!

[Bowerpower]

The easiest solution would be upgrading infrastructure. Rail mostly. And get some true competition on those railways.

You really think it's that easy and makes us closer to China? Russia and China border each other. Two communist countries. Competition, there are two railways in Canada, like true capitalist they have eliminated all the other competition. Sort of what Putin has done in Russia politically.

More railway companies moving north is a pipe dream the major railways of North America have it all worked out. You think their going to listen to Western Canadian farmers who act like a bunch of cats trying to be herded up? Wake up you guys!

Never said it would be easy but looks like we will have a major rail back long again this year which will cost how much. A billion in lost revenue and sales???? Maybe more maybe less Wouldn’t in be nice to invest money into infrastructure system so we don’t have future years of missed opportunity. There is no political will for that kind of vision. And I’m not just blaming the liberals, cons were in power long enough as well to make a vision and They did sweet f all. I am young and I am proud to be Canadian. But I don’t see how this plays out well long term. I hope I am wrong.
And Infrasctructure such as rail shiuld be a national public interest for the betterment of the country. It should never have been gifted to two monopolistic rail companies. That deal stunk from the beginning. I’m a capitalist but something has to give there.

[Klause]

"Forage one day I'd like to meet you and you say what you say on here to me in person. I don't think you'll dare."

I really have no desire to meet you in the least but I would say what's on my mind if it happened. Right back at you "you say what you say on here" but would you say it in front of other? BESIDES WHY WON'T DARE TO? As for hating you that sounds like something for Twitter and Facebook, we're on a chatline with fellow farmers, you bad mouth Canada when ever you can and in your mind you justify that as contributing to Agriville. Do you read some of the treads on here, are you serious about contributing. I personally don't need to put down in print my accomplishment as a farmer and a Canadian and where I've traveled, what I grow, most guys don't give a shit and that's not my style. You take yourself and Agriville a little to serious!

Maybe if your ancestor died and fought for this country you wouldn't be daring me about anything!!!

A lot of members on here know me in real life. I'll say what's on my mind at all times.

So... Let's not discuss farming practices, other countries, politics...


Then what the heck is the point? I don't think you understand the concept of a discussion forum quite honestly.


This is getting offtopic though... Really off topic.


I'd you don't like what I post... Just hit "ignore" or don't read my threads...

[sumdumguy]

one railroad holding wealth-creating industries hostage, no pipelines, hate on for carbon-the base of all living things, crappy provincial relations, no government - that sums up Canada that will soon have a 60 cent dollar.

[Crestliner]

Well it’s time for common sense to prevail.

Yes leadership in transportation of our grain has been lacking for decades...we are shipping way more then ever, but we are growing way more than ever.

Farmers just are better at growing more grain than the rails coukd ever keep up with.

So time for a big vision:

1.How about twin tracks... both mainlines each way for starters.....and get it done NOW! Figure the cost, be enviromently responsible, tender the work, get it built, pay for it with a combo of user tolls and Gov grants....Done.

2. Get oil pipelines passed now. Roll over the crazies that don’t like progress, get the permit and let it get done.Not 10 years from now...NOW!

I plan to keep increasing my yields. Good wheat used to be 35...now I’m pouting if we don’t get 50. 25 canola used to be ok....now 40 is ok....we will get better at growing, we need the marketplace and we need to get there.

We need some leadership that’s not afraid to get out there.

I agree, complacency and entitlement and thinking we can live off the wealth of our predecessors is dangerous.

[Klause]

Well it’s time for common sense to prevail.

Yes leadership in transportation of our grain has been lacking for decades...we are shipping way more then ever, but we are growing way more than ever.

Farmers just are better at growing more grain than the rails coukd ever keep up with.

So time for a big vision:

1.How about twin tracks... both mainlines each way for starters.....and get it done NOW! Figure the cost, be enviromently responsible, tender the work, get it built, pay for it with a combo of user tolls and Gov grants....Done.

2. Get oil pipelines passed now. Roll over the crazies that don’t like progress, get the permit and let it get done.Not 10 years from now...NOW!

I plan to keep increasing my yields. Good wheat used to be 35...now I’m pouting if we don’t get 50. 25 canola used to be ok....now 40 is ok....we will get better at growing, we need the marketplace and we need to get there.

We need some leadership that’s not afraid to get out there.

I agree, complacency and entitlement and thinking we can live off the wealth of our predecessors is dangerous.

Been saying that for a long time. That's exactly what we need.

Twin both mainlines, open up the running rights on those rails to shoreline companies provided they can operate to standards (safety, speed/power). MobilGrain should be allowed to run their train straight to port for instance.

Get all petroleum off of the trains now. There's no reason exposive/flammable substances should be traveling on a train. Pipes are safer and simpler.

Get people moving by mass transit. Train, High speed train, hyper loop. Doesn't matter. Calgary->Regina, Edmonton->Saskatoon shouldn't take more than 2 or 3 hours by speed train. Imagine how much traffic you can pull off the 411 doing that. How many fewer fatalities on the highways all over.


Build tunnels through the mountains. Push the trains through those, other countries have done it, Herrenknecht has the technology to do it fast. Eliminate weather from the equation.


All of these projects would cost billions but immediately affect GDP for the better for all Canadians. More wealth, more business, more efficiency, lower taxes for all.

[Crestliner]

Been saying that for a long time. That's exactly what we need.

Twin both mainlines, open up the running rights on those rails to shoreline companies provided they can operate to standards (safety, speed/power). MobilGrain should be allowed to run their train straight to port for instance.

Get all petroleum off of the trains now. There's no reason exposive/flammable substances should be traveling on a train. Pipes are safer and simpler.

Get people moving by mass transit. Train, High speed train, hyper loop. Doesn't matter. Calgary->Regina, Edmonton->Saskatoon shouldn't take more than 2 or 3 hours by speed train. Imagine how much traffic you can pull off the 411 doing that. How many fewer fatalities on the highways all over.


Build tunnels through the mountains. Push the trains through those, other countries have done it, Herrenknecht has the technology to do it fast. Eliminate weather from the equation.


All of these projects would cost billions but immediately affect GDP for the better for all Canadians. More wealth, more business, more efficiency, lower taxes for all.

I like it....where do we vote for you to take it on👍👍 ??it’s going to take us farmers to do it as everyone will sit and wait for change rather than take it on.