Putin and Versatile/Rostelmash a view from the Russian side

[farmaholic]

Would one return line be enough for both Companies? But where would both lines tie into it? There's efficiencies with trains heading back east not having to pull over for west bound traffic. So maybe one line would be enough?

[Rareearth]

Can you imagine what BC would want in exchange for cutting a hole in their mountain x30 ? I actually like the idea, but the govt extortion, indigionous, unions ... penny wise pound foolish!

Mass transit, over the miles we travel, or from point to point is not achievable or economic. People travel now due to cheap, fast, air lines.

Is there any thing Sask can or should do infrastructure wise that makes sense?

[MBgrower]

Almost sounds like communism doesn't it...

Two railways do as they please keep a country and it's industry hostage to their whims and profit margins.


Forage one day I'd like to meet you and you say what you say on here to me in person. I don't think you'll dare.


You know what happens when you get blown up at 4 years old and just about killed? You grow one heck of a tough skin and your mind builds new pathways to cope. You learn to survive and thrive in any conditions.


Something you'd never understand.


Just like you don't get that those prized freedoms we once had are getting eroded by the day. Yet there's too many like you pointing fingers and laughing at others and beating your chests saying we're so much better - not realizing that the society you're so proud of is crumbling beneath your feet because you have no capacity to fight to protect it.


I'm not crying. I'm stating a cold hard fact. You don't contribute to this board you just attack certain members, mostly out of hate and spite and ignorance.


Even in this thread.... I never said a word about farming in Russia. I posted the video to show a side of Russia we don't often see here...

You're obviously Ukrainian... And as all people from that part of the world you're passionate about your country... And Russia has done many things to the Ukrainian people that are abhorrent.

The fact of the matter, that Russia is building out their capacity, and production ability does not change.


A confederation or republic is not a necessary precursor to grain production.

Our system has become totally corrupt. Look at who lobbies government. Watch and read what is said at committee hearings.

Ever wonder why the family of your FCC or bank rep all of a sudden ends up with certain pieces of dirt before anybody ever knew it was for sale?

Finally, we are in the business of feeding people. We need to make friends and strong ties to the countries with large populations and the money to pay for the food we can provide. India, China, Korea, Thailand come to mind. And we need to understand our competitors strengths and weaknesses. Thus why I post here. To broaden people's horizons and understanding of the greater world around us.

[MBgrower]

sorry, couldn't resist

[bucket]

Just imagine if canada went to 100 million people....High speed rail would make sense and so would another hole bored thru the mountains....

lets not think about the future...lets look back 60 years ...thats how we ended up with consolidation of railways and graincos leading to the mess we have today.

[fjlip]

The same Paul Martin that had a shipping fleet in Bermuda 🇧🇲 ?

Ya screw your Paul Martin OFF SHORE TAX EVADER...just like present finance minister and PM.

[Rareearth]

English Channel = 12 Billion pounds



1. The Channel Tunnel is 31.4 miles long, making it the 11th longest tunnel in use (the longest is the Delaware Aqueduct, at 85.1 miles), and the fourth longest used by rail passengers. It has the longest undersea portion of any tunnel in the world (23.5 miles).

2. The project cost £4.65 billion (equivalent to £12 billion today), 80 per cent more than expected. Construction took six years (1988-1994).

3. It was recognised as one of the "Seven Wonders of the Modern World" by the American Society of Civil Engineers, alongside the Empire State Building, the Itaipu Dam in South America, the CN Tower in Toronto, the Panama Canal, the North Sea protection works in the Netherlands, and the Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco.


4. The first proposal for a tunnel under the Channel was put forward by Albert Mathieu, a French engineer - it included an artificial island half-way across for changing horses. Further proposals were considered by Napoleon III in 1856 and William Gladstone in 1865, while David Lloyd George brought up the idea at the Paris Peace Conference of 1919.

5. At the height of construction, 13,000 people were employed. Ten workers - eight of them British - were killed building the tunnel.



6. Englishman Graham Fagg and Frenchman Phillippe Cozette carried out the ceremonial break through on December 1, 1990.

7. They didn't quite meet in the middle - the English side tunnelled the greater distance.

• The Channel Tunnel: how its opening was reported in 1994

8. The average depth of the tunnel is 50 metres below the seabed, and the lowest point 75 metres below. Much of the chalk marl spoil bored on the English side was deposited at Lower Shakespeare Cliff in Kent, now home to the Samphire Hoe Country Park.

9. There are actually three tunnels down there - two for trains and a smaller service tunnel that can be used in emergencies.

10. 11 boring machines were used to dig the tunnel. Together they weighed a total of 12,000 tonnes (more than the Eiffel Tower), while each was as long as two football pitches. One from the British side remains buried under the Channel. Another was sold on eBay for £39,999 in 2004

11. Up to 400 trains pass through the tunnel each day, carrying an average of 50,000 passengers, 6,000 cars, 180 coaches and 54,000 tonnes of freight.

12. Three fires have occurred (in 1996, 2006 and 2012) inside the tunnel that were significant enough for it to close. The most serious, on November 18, 1996, damaged 500 metres of the tunnel, affecting operations for six months. An automatic fire dousing system has now been installed.

13. A number of train failures have occurred. On December 18, 2009, five Eurostar trains broke down, trapping 2,000 passengers for 16 hours without power, and many without food or water.


14. In 2014 a record 21 million passengers were transported between Britain and France using the tunnel - up from 7.3 million in 1995, its first full year in operation.

15. The vast majority (85 per cent) of car passengers are British.

16. Shuttle trains are 775 metres long - the same as eight football pitches.

17. The lining of the tunnel is designed to last for 120 years.

18. It takes around 35 minutes to travel the length of the Channel Tunnel.

19. The introduction of a pet travel scheme in 2000 has seen more than one million dogs and cats travelling through the tunnel. For more details on travelling to Europe with a pet - see our guide.

20. The Queen and President Mitterrand officially opened the tunnel on May 6, 1994. The royal party travelled from Waterloo to Calais at a sedate 80mph. The presidential party sped to the coast from Paris at 186mph.

[Rareearth]

Could it be:
- a joint pipeline project , oil, natural gas etc
- communications, fiberoptic
- passenger traffic
- rail
- power
- water

[Klause]

English Channel = 12 Billion pounds



1. The Channel Tunnel is 31.4 miles long, making it the 11th longest tunnel in use (the longest is the Delaware Aqueduct, at 85.1 miles), and the fourth longest used by rail passengers. It has the longest undersea portion of any tunnel in the world (23.5 miles).

2. The project cost £4.65 billion (equivalent to £12 billion today), 80 per cent more than expected. Construction took six years (1988-1994).

3. It was recognised as one of the "Seven Wonders of the Modern World" by the American Society of Civil Engineers, alongside the Empire State Building, the Itaipu Dam in South America, the CN Tower in Toronto, the Panama Canal, the North Sea protection works in the Netherlands, and the Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco.


4. The first proposal for a tunnel under the Channel was put forward by Albert Mathieu, a French engineer - it included an artificial island half-way across for changing horses. Further proposals were considered by Napoleon III in 1856 and William Gladstone in 1865, while David Lloyd George brought up the idea at the Paris Peace Conference of 1919.

5. At the height of construction, 13,000 people were employed. Ten workers - eight of them British - were killed building the tunnel.



6. Englishman Graham Fagg and Frenchman Phillippe Cozette carried out the ceremonial break through on December 1, 1990.

7. They didn't quite meet in the middle - the English side tunnelled the greater distance.

• The Channel Tunnel: how its opening was reported in 1994

8. The average depth of the tunnel is 50 metres below the seabed, and the lowest point 75 metres below. Much of the chalk marl spoil bored on the English side was deposited at Lower Shakespeare Cliff in Kent, now home to the Samphire Hoe Country Park.

9. There are actually three tunnels down there - two for trains and a smaller service tunnel that can be used in emergencies.

10. 11 boring machines were used to dig the tunnel. Together they weighed a total of 12,000 tonnes (more than the Eiffel Tower), while each was as long as two football pitches. One from the British side remains buried under the Channel. Another was sold on eBay for £39,999 in 2004

11. Up to 400 trains pass through the tunnel each day, carrying an average of 50,000 passengers, 6,000 cars, 180 coaches and 54,000 tonnes of freight.

12. Three fires have occurred (in 1996, 2006 and 2012) inside the tunnel that were significant enough for it to close. The most serious, on November 18, 1996, damaged 500 metres of the tunnel, affecting operations for six months. An automatic fire dousing system has now been installed.

13. A number of train failures have occurred. On December 18, 2009, five Eurostar trains broke down, trapping 2,000 passengers for 16 hours without power, and many without food or water.


14. In 2014 a record 21 million passengers were transported between Britain and France using the tunnel - up from 7.3 million in 1995, its first full year in operation.

15. The vast majority (85 per cent) of car passengers are British.

16. Shuttle trains are 775 metres long - the same as eight football pitches.

17. The lining of the tunnel is designed to last for 120 years.

18. It takes around 35 minutes to travel the length of the Channel Tunnel.

19. The introduction of a pet travel scheme in 2000 has seen more than one million dogs and cats travelling through the tunnel. For more details on travelling to Europe with a pet - see our guide.

20. The Queen and President Mitterrand officially opened the tunnel on May 6, 1994. The royal party travelled from Waterloo to Calais at a sedate 80mph. The presidential party sped to the coast from Paris at 186mph.

Technology has come along way. I was thinking more along the lines of gothard tunnel.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gotthard_Base_Tunnel https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gotthard_Base_Tunnel

[Rareearth]

I’m good with Gotthard as well, 12 Billion dollars and about 95 miles of tunnel

Banff to Vancouver about 527 miles 5 times longer x 12 Billion = 60 Billion

- resource finds of gold, silver and other minerals
- build it big for multiple revenue streams
- would it be a Green project or environmental disaster ?


60 Billion / 130 million population = $461 person

[Klause]

I’m good with Gotthard as well, 12 Billion dollars and about 95 miles of tunnel

Banff to Vancouver about 527 miles 5 times longer x 12 Billion = 60 Billion

- resource finds of gold, silver and other minerals
- build it big for multiple revenue streams
- would it be a Green project or environmental disaster ?


60 Billion / 130 million population = $461 person

60 Billion on the longest tunnel in the world. Move people and freight through it. Cut CO2 emissions, (no mountains to climb, no delays). Cut weather related accidents.

We need vision, and an entire infrastructure reboot like after WWII. Look at what was built here and in the USA, and look at what it spurred for economic activity.

[WiltonRanch]

Though this stuff is far out. It’s better to chew the fat on constructive solutions like these. How many miles of tunnel would we need to push through the Rockies? Imagine it wouldn’t be the entire way but essentially a straightened set of tunnels opposed to the corkscrews we have now. How many chinamen died blasting those tunnels.