Dairy trade and NAFTA

[ajl]

So it is as I have said before that it is Canada's unwillingness to discuss dairy trade is why NAFTA will fail. The blame for the steel tariffs and general failure of NAFTA falls squarely on the dairy farmers of Ontario. It is time that the sacred cow be led to the slaughter line. They have done it in Europe successfully so there is a model. Free trade in dairy products now.

[farmaholic]

To bad all the other cows never had the same "Sacred Cow" status as those MagPie Cows.

[bucket]

They are trying to replace beef cows with plant proteins and manufactured beef.

[ajl]

They are trying to replace beef cows with plant proteins and manufactured beef.

Milk as well. perfectdayfoods.com

[GDR]

So it is as I have said before that it is Canada's unwillingness to discuss dairy trade is why NAFTA will fail. The blame for the steel tariffs and general failure of NAFTA falls squarely on the dairy farmers of Ontario. It is time that the sacred cow be led to the slaughter line. They have done it in Europe successfully so there is a model. Free trade in dairy products now.

AJL, Is your concern for the steel industry or resentment of the dairy guys? I really am a free market guy but I gotta tell you if all our ag sectors were supply managed we'd all be happier farmers; shipping logistics, timing the market, guaranteed profit, guaranteed sale, increased price as costs go up etc. Easy to be jealous of their system, but I still don't want to milk cows. It is frustrating when we keep hearing about it with any trade or WTO talks I Know. But I think it's more of an easy scapegoat for the Americans, other than some cheese products and a bit of fluid milk that may move into GTA and Vancouver I can't see it being a huge market for them. Milk is heavy and perishable product to ship.

What you do need to think about is how many extra tax dollars you are prepared to send in to facilitate this change. If it does get axed, that quota will be compensated for by all of us, whether or not you believe it ever should have existed.

[ajl]

Personally would benefit from lower dairy product prices in Canada. When you are negotiating there is give and take on both sides. The US brought up a legitimate issue, since they had been freely trading ultra filtered milk into the Canadian market until the DFO cried foul. I say offer the US more access to the dairy market in exchange for no steel tariffs. What is the problem with doing that? Most wealth in Canuckistan is where it is because of some government transfer weather you are talking public servants, supply managed farmers, or land speculators that benefited big time from central bank money printing. Yes, there is a bit of resentment towards all the crony capitalism I see.

[15444]

People can call Trump stupid, but he is one of the smarter negotiators that the US has ever had. Supply management is out the window, or Canada is 'gonna get a hurt real bad'. Maybe put a tariff on vehicles from Canada next? That would surely break Ottawa politicians.

[farmaholic]

I suppose ransom is a form of negotiations.....

[Misterjade9]

Absolutely

[grassfarmer]

People can call Trump stupid, but he is one of the smarter negotiators that the US has ever had. Supply management is out the window, or Canada is 'gonna get a hurt real bad'. Maybe put a tariff on vehicles from Canada next? That would surely break Ottawa politicians.

On the contrary, he is proving to be the dumbest President they have ever had by a significant margin, especially on trade. His "trade wars are good and easy to win" comments are attracted the derision they deserve from all sides of the political divide around the world. Complete dumbass who has no idea what is involved or what's at stake although his own party are frantically trying to bring him up to speed before he does any more damage.
For the farmers that want to throw supply management under the bus what'll you say when he puts tariffs on all grain and oilseed products going south? He is just as likely to do that the next time he has to run diversion from another scandal in his administration. I'm sure glad we don't have some of you negotiating on our behalf - the first time the biggest bully trading partner says they are going to tax your imports and you all roll over and support him instead of your own countries interests.