Dairy trade and NAFTA

[tmyrfield]

To those that wish other farm commodities were under supply management just think about that for a minute.

Would you really want to purchase quota or a permit to be able to grow a bushel of canola or wheat or whatever? I've heard of quota values for milk for over $35,000.00 for 100 hl. not inconceivable an acre of canola be $5000.00.

Of course we wouldn't be able to export either seed or by products because our high priced markets would be protected by %300 import taxes. so all production will be strictly controlled to the amount that can be consumed in canada. now extend that to all grains pulses and oilseeds, we wouldn't need many acres to supply domestic consumption.

Might as well tell the cattle and hog guys to do the same, why should they be any different.

A few hundred farmers could probably supply all of canada needs. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't make the cut, or would even want to.

If you think trade negotiations are tough now, imagine what they would be like if all commodities were under supply management.

one thing though, is our fossil fuel consumption would drop to the point that maybe even the most alarmed alarmist would be happy for a minute or two.

To say that Trump doesn't know how to negotiate a deal is laughable....he's got the media and negotiators scurrying around in every direction except the one he wants to go in, then bang...he gets what he wants, nobody knows what hit them.

Trumps tweets are to the media what a laser pointer is to cats. I wish I could claim authorship to that statement.

[Oliver88]

Personally would benefit from lower dairy product prices in Canada. When you are negotiating there is give and take on both sides. The US brought up a legitimate issue, since they had been freely trading ultra filtered milk into the Canadian market until the DFO cried foul. I say offer the US more access to the dairy market in exchange for no steel tariffs. What is the problem with doing that? Most wealth in Canuckistan is where it is because of some government transfer weather you are talking public servants, supply managed farmers, or land speculators that benefited big time from central bank money printing. Yes, there is a bit of resentment towards all the crony capitalism I see.

You make very good points.
It shouldn’t be a shocker that the USA dairy lobby is complaining about a lack of access to our market.

[grassfarmer]

tmyrfield, I didn't see anyone in this thread advocating for other farm commodities to be put under supply management. Tell you what though supply managed dairy in Canada is the envy of every other country. Most successful dairy farmers in the world and customers that can easily afford their supply of high quality, stable priced milk.
Trump negotiate a deal? where has he done that? All he has done up to now is throw incendiary devices at issues every time he needs to creatre a political distraction.

[WiltonRanch]

Agree with SM or not Trump will pit the steel industry against the dairy and feather sector in Canada. Divide and conquer. Great idea for the USA dairy industry to dump their surplus milk in Canada as opposed to down the drain. I thought with the Canada eu deal that sm was to be phased out anyway.

[Happytrails]

Excellent comments tymrfield. Supply management is morally indefensible. How can you ban 99.99% of the population from producing basic food stuffs?


I guess Mr. Simple didn't catch the meaning of farmaholic's line.

"To bad all the other cows never had the same "Sacred Cow" status as those MagPie Cows."

[grassfarmer]

Excellent comments tymrfield. Supply management is morally indefensible. How can you ban 99.99% of the population from producing basic food stuffs?

100% of the population can own dairy cows and produce their own milk if they so desire. If you want to get into selling milk on a scale larger than this you play by the rules set by milk producers which were designed to produce a stable business model for all in the business. Get in, or don't get in - nobody is stopping you either way.

[Integrity_Farmer]

Total bullshit by the US and Trump "The OECD estimates American market price supports for dairy range between US$5.3 billion to $6.6 billion annually". US agribusiness wants to export their hormone/antibiotic contaminated milk to Canada. As a Canadian I value the quality Canadian milk I consume.
In Canada we don't have listeria in our poultry and eggs either.

[Oliver88]

Very fascinating situation for Mr. Dressup's caucus.
Who do they choose:
Eastern Canada Dairy Cartel or Eastern Canada Aluminum and Steel Unions????

Gerald Butts is likely checking into which industry has more voters.

[furrowtickler]

100% of the population can own dairy cows and produce their own milk if they so desire. If you want to get into selling milk on a scale larger than this you play by the rules set by milk producers which were designed to produce a stable business model for all in the business. Get in, or don't get in - nobody is stopping you either way.

Wrong , how do you get in if you can’t buy quota ? If your not already in the game you can’t afford to get in. Economics will kill you to get in fresh ... grab a pencil and paper . You need big money to get in and stay in.
Why are you not in it grass ? It’s a big mans game . Go to a Hutterite colony and see for yourself . Very few farmers , or anyone for that matter can even afford to remotely get in , let alone stay in that game . It’s like saying go into oil production, sure anyone can do that .

[grassfarmer]

Wrong , how do you get in if you can’t buy quota ? If your not already in the game you can’t afford to get in. Economics will kill you to get in fresh ... grab a pencil and paper . You need big money to get in and stay in.
Why are you not in it grass ? It’s a big mans game . Go to a Hutterite colony and see for yourself . Very few farmers , or anyone for that matter can even afford to remotely get in , let alone stay in that game . It’s like saying go into oil production, sure anyone can do that .

Never fancied dairy farming myself but I understand the economics of it. Absolutely you can afford to buy quota, if you are good at the business and pay it off over a number of years. Most producers buy some quota initially and expand by adding more. I've been on Hutterite colonies - most have fairly small dairies. On the other hand I know family farms with 500-800 dairy cows.