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    #11
    S/F did you come from a JD dealership at one time? I could be wrong in asking , but just asking .

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      #12
      From the article: “Conventional doesn’t make sense unless you have the best land in the area"

      That seems to be completely backwards to me. In my experiment, the best land can handle the repeated tillage much better, has more nutrients and organic matter to burn, and is worth investing the time and money required to transition to organic. But I may be looking at it wrong.

      I'm not very familiar with the area, it may be excellent soil, but looking at google earth, there is so many potholes that anything bigger than a 10 foot cultivator wouldn't fit between most of them. Although the image may have been taken during one of the extended wet years lately? That might be part of the reason why some of it was in pasture.

      He is probably correct that he would need 40,000 cows to make enough manure to fertilize 40,000 acres, but that won't leave many acres for crop land, if each cow needs 4 acres for pasture and winter feed, that is 160,000 acres for the cattle, 40,000-160,000= -120,000 acres left over to grow crops on. Negative acres aren't all that productive. Grassfarmer, you appear to be very productive and use intensive grazing, how many acres per cow year round? Can you pasture and raise feed for 160 cows on a quarter section?
      My conclusion is that the only way organic is remotely sustainable on my soil, is to have enough cows to be able to keep most of the nutrients from leaving the farm.

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        #13
        Originally posted by iceman View Post
        Sounds like a lot of rock picking involved.

        It's ironic how you break up pasture because you can turn it into certified organic quicker.

        Iceman Out
        Then put a green label on the resulting product because it is environmentally friendly.

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          #14
          There will be organic N-P-K -S within two years , commercially. Probably some already , others may confirm or not
          Weed control via bio Ag within a few years as well..
          I could be wrong but this is what is possible , it’s coming faster than we think.

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            #15
            Oh by the way, that may help orangics just a bit . Like it or not , the consumer wants it ... the hate for GMO is gone too far , or not , we just don’t want to admit it in general, right or wrong it does not matter anymore. When you look at the ramped up commercial production of South America , and Russia alone , we are a back flipped Turtle here in Canada now .
            We better be thinking differently than what’s being pushed here .
            Zero , as in Zero money in transportation to infrastructure for grain / commodity transportation has been done in years. Other than just enough to barely maintain what’s left of rail . Bucket is one of few that gets it .
            It was stripped to the bone while the rest of the the world has been ramping up huge. Which Klause has tried to point out many times , Blythe to get punched down always .
            And too boot we are an export nation ...it’s fuki retarded .....
            should we send it via Fed Ex ???? 🙈

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              #16
              Regardless.... good on this guy for getting an opportunity, realizing it , and working hard to go for it . If only more parts of this society could get the hint .....

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                #17
                Originally posted by GDR View Post
                I bet Hobbyfarmer is that big too! He just doesn't want us to know so always tells us about his old equipment and weed problems.
                The struggle is real 🙂

                The volume produced from this venture will push down organic prices even more.
                I dont know the people, I wish them well. I dont understand why people want to be highlighted in the western producer or other media. Early media coverage can sometimes be a “kiss of death”.
                Success in ag ventures do require a lot of money spent up, so its good they have the backing.
                Last edited by hobbyfrmr; Mar 23, 2018, 09:23.

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by furrowtickler View Post
                  There will be organic N-P-K -S within two years , commercially. Probably some already , others may confirm or not
                  Weed control via bio Ag within a few years as well..
                  I could be wrong but this is what is possible , it’s coming faster than we think.
                  So, if these technologies prove to be effective and are approved and accepted by customers, won't that make it too easy to become organic? There is a premium now because it is more work, less producers are willing or able to do it. Removing those barriers by making it as easy as conventional high input farming would remove those barriers to entry, and won't the profit margins end up comparable to conventional? While the profits go to input companies, which organic farmers were trying to avoid to start with.

                  If they create an organic approved equivalent to glyphosate so organic no-till is practical, I'll sign up, but probably so would everyone else...

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by AlbertaFarmer5 View Post
                    So, if these technologies prove to be effective and are approved and accepted by customers, won't that make it too easy to become organic? There is a premium now because it is more work, less producers are willing or able to do it. Removing those barriers by making it as easy as conventional high input farming would remove those barriers to entry, and won't the profit margins end up comparable to conventional? While the profits go to input companies, which organic farmers were trying to avoid to start with.

                    If they create an organic approved equivalent to glyphosate so organic no-till is practical, I'll sign up, but probably so would everyone else...
                    I hear ya , but just sayin it’s coming

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                      #20
                      Can someone tag ritchie brothers in this thread.

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