Marijuana, has anyone got a clue?

[farmaholic]

I am on neither side of legalizing pot . There are valid points on either side of the issue .
My issue is who is getting permits and government (tax payer) money to set up grow ops .... and big ones .!
Yup two local crime syndicates here in the NW got federal blessings and approval to go ahead with big set ups . Ahhh , I guess a trip to the PM’s office kinda helps .

And ironically the very people who need a hand up out of the abyss they live in will be given the go ahead to grow it and provide their people with easy access to the very thing that will keep them mired in the abyss.

Other than medicinal use, I see no long term good coming from this.

[foragefarmer]

Sk3

"Recreational marijuana is legal in nine states and medical marijuana is legal in 30 states."

"A 2017 Gallup poll showed that 64% of Americans support legalization."

"Oklahoma became the 30th state to legalize medical marijuana on Wednesday."

Your always stating how much better it is in the USA when it comes to employment and workers attitude. If you analysis is correct it sure hasn't hurt productivity in 20% of the states that have legalized pot.

Also, your a big fan of Doug Ford, he has brought in a buck a beer in Ontario starting today so according to you all Ontarians will now become alcoholics.

You just don't have any faith in Canada or young Canadians. How can you be so bitter and negative about everything regarding Canada and still live here. Florida is calling!


Casered,

Your caveman remark does apply to a few posters on here, especially those so call religious ones!

[the big wheel]

Yes the local drug dealer who was in jail is now building out of shacks grow houses. How the hell is that expected to work out good. Loser burnt his house down oh sorry it was an accident and got 1.6 million to rebuild. The original house was built on drug money his other assets siezed and sold but no one was told if he got the money for it or not. But was told he kept the house because his family needed shelter???? Biggest house in town for a loser and now even scammed insurance will be selling pot to kids legally wow. As if there won't be cocaine and all his other goodies there.
But I guess since he got out of jail because he squeeled on all the other dealers he's a model citizen.

[macdon02]

How can you compare alcohol and tobacco to marijuana. Two are widely used because of their legal status. Marijuana use will only increase because of legalization....just wait, the social and health ills are only going to increase. Don't be so naive. We spent the last two decades trying to get people to quit smoking...now light up a joint. ****en hypocritical governments.

Has anyone ever admitted to law enforcement or the healthcare system the cause of their situation may be a result of cannabis use.....when it was illegal?

Pot has a massive elephant in the room, the black market. I suspect once legal day shows up there'll be a campaign that smoking is bad and only the consumables and drinks are ok health wise to use. Attempting to run off the tax dodgers. I really don't see drug dealers being overly concerned if they are criminals due to competing with govt for revenue... lol. As long as the black market exists it'll limit potential. I don't follow it enough but are they allowing 4 plants per person? The hype on BNN smells like bitcoin to me and most of these companies have zero sales on the books excluding some medicinal sales. They are living on share price atm. Maybe it'll take off like a ****d ape idk. I wonder if Donald wants access for his pot cos? I'm sure ours will want access to the US and that opens a whole nother can of worms..... good luck boys.

[sumdumguy]

What will change for us due to legalization? Nothing. The most ridiculous thing was the criminalization because you smoke a lowiy herb - all the wasted legal resources. I grew up in the era of flower power, the Beatles and painted Volkswagon vans. I never saw any violence come of the use of cannabis but a lot of dreamers, now retired university profs, veterinaries and even a provincial MLA. Can’t say I knew any “users” who turned into druggies either. Today the medicinal benefits of MJ are being recognized and actual research is starting. After millions of years, some one is going to research the benefits that grow from a tiny seed in 100 days- unbelievable that it took thousands of years. I am a curious sort, so I walked into a cannabis dispensary in Laughlin last winter, just to have a look. First thing they asked me for was my ID. I turned around and headed for the car, yelled, “Start the car”. 😂 Maybe after its legal we’ll prance around like 🦍👍 It’s interesting times and I look forward to the new norm. Let’s enjoy the ride. Life is short.

[farmaholic]

Who am I to say a "responsible" user shouldn't be allowed access?
But there will be many new users who will go from casual to chronic and maybe beyond....it's just the odds. I just don't understand why a society would want to go there. Then add in all the other negatives....like I said, I just don't see this ending well. So after a few decades the campaign to curb it's use will be in full force🤔?

[macdon02]

Interesting side note, when was it deemed "illegal"? When Washington had a massive protesting issue going on, an awakening of anti govt youth. Are we there again? I suspect the reason so many continued to use while deemed illegal is their belief govt was against them. It's a fascinating cause and effect scenario in history. Moon shine will never be legalized as the ethanol aspect competes with govt revenues on fuel tax... well maybe 1 day after they've regulated us into electric.

[farmaholic]

Ever notice that some of the most at risk segments of our society, who can least afford the vice both socially or financially, are the ones who abuse the vice the most?

Is the vice the cause or affect of financial and dysfunctional living stress? Then the generational curse.

And the cost to society in health care....but "I PAID THE SIN TAX...I DESERVE TREATMENT!"....those sin tax revenues individually paid will never cover potential health-care costs.

[chuckChuck]

How can you compare alcohol and tobacco to marijuana. Two are widely used because of their legal status. Marijuana use will only increase because of legalization....just wait, the social and health ills are only going to increase. Don't be so naive. We spent the last two decades trying to get people to quit smoking...now light up a joint. ****en hypocritical governments.

Has anyone ever admitted to law enforcement or the healthcare system the cause of their situation may be a result of cannabis use.....when it was illegal?

Has prohibition ever worked? No. You don't have to only smoke marijuana. It can be in oil, edibles beer, tea, so the risk from smoking can be reduced.

We should be focusing on more serious health problems like fentanyl which is a life threatning addiction. Largely the result of doctors over prescribing.

Substance abuse is a bigger problem where people have mental health issues, poverty and little hope. Maybe we should do something about the root causes instead of just treating the symptoms? We don't have enough resources to treat mental health issues let alone for treating addictions. Why is that?

[farmaholic]

Then let's not do things that perpetuate the cycle.

[sumdumguy]

Google, “Phoenix Tears, the original Farm. “

[blackpowder]

Starting to agree with hobbyfarmer.
Govts will lose money.
Use as prescribed. Or as you would whiskey.
Aint gonna stop it now.
And u dont neccessarily have to smoke the shit to use it.

My neighbor was allowed to eat the last months of his life because of it. Opened my eyes.

50 years ago we self medicated with alcohol for various reasons. Still do.
I've seen lifes badly affected from severe anxiety, depression etc.
Agree that a hangover-less self treatment could lead to over medicating. Lol

[Braveheart]

I agree with Casered, there is a lot of "reefer madness" on here. But everyone needs to calm down because the reality is, not much will change.

The "users" of weed won't use anymore than they are now, and in fact will still buy from the suppliers they've had for years. It will no doubt be cheaper. The new customers, people like me, will frequent stores for the occasional hit (my birthday 2 days after legalization will rock). Plus, I don't smoke or like smoke so quality edibles might be my thing (guumie bears, yay!).

As for driving high concerns, weed has been around here in abundance for decades. I've never heard of a buzzed accident or arrest. Policing concerns are that segment crying for more cash IMO.

The biggest concern I have is access to the US after Oct 17. We live by the border and cross frequently for parts, Dairy Queen, pizza and the best fried chicken. Marijuana in the US is illegal federally and they could look at every Canadian as a potential drug user which at the border could now be a problem.

[the big wheel]

I agree with Casered, there is a lot of "reefer madness" on here. But everyone needs to calm down because the reality is, not much will change.

The "users" of weed won't use anymore than they are now, and in fact will still buy from the suppliers they've had for years. It will no doubt be cheaper. The new customers, people like me, will frequent stores for the occasional hit (my birthday 2 days after legalization will rock). Plus, I don't smoke or like smoke so quality edibles might be my thing (guumie bears, yay!).

As for driving high concerns, weed has been around here in abundance for decades. I've never heard of a buzzed accident or arrest. Policing concerns are that segment crying for more cash IMO.

The biggest concern I have is access to the US after Oct 17. We live by the border and cross frequently for parts, Dairy Queen, pizza and the best fried chicken. Marijuana in the US is illegal federally and they could look at every Canadian as a potential drug user which at the border could now be a problem.

There is a difference between someone benefitting from it medically and an all out free for all.

It is a fact it does fry young brains and no doubt the more it's available the more young people will use it. That's the biggest concern.

As far. As accidents I have more than one rcmp friend that will tell you otherwise. Rarely gets checked in many accidents if you don't have reason to suspect.

If I know someone is a drug user they don't work for me. If I find out later they get let go. I can't fool around waiting for that atoned day to happen where my combine gets rolled or driven into someone or something

Prohibition never works yes because ther are never serious enough consequences
Local drug dealers didn't mind going to court only to get a 200 dollar fine and then make a 5,000 dollar deal outside the courthouse with the other stoners there. And sometimes the dealer knows the judge also as a customer so no wonder.
Same with alcohol youbget caught driving stoned you don't just lose your license you lose your vehicle and 10,000 first time 100,000 next time. But I guess then you'd have to watch for all the walking stonies. Hahaha

[farmaholic]

I am not here to change anybody's mind, I only state "my" opinion. Whether anyone thinks its right or wrong is irrelevant to me. It's only food for thought, I hope your mind isn't starving to death with my meaningless comments.

Take what you like and leave the rest, or leave everything. Or ignore.