Why aren't farmers as passionate about grain moving as oil??

[the big wheel]

Great point, I thought this was obvious for all to catch onto but apparently it isn’t.

The oil will either move by rail or pipeline. Which one of these two options will be better for grain movement??

Your the one that doesn't get it. The oil industry has all the strings pulled to get what ever they want they don't need us except that we vote in their puppets then we wonder why we have had no vision or development of any other industry. On top of that when oil goes up that's going to help manufacturing or anything else here this side of the Rockies?
I m all for the pipelines but we should be dictating under the circumstances other wise the oil industry can fk off someone else will do it just like foreigners will come farm the land if we don't like to be screwed. They'll come farm the land in order to get access for other things not only cheap grain but immigrate people etc.
The oil industry is no one s friend people just don't get it. They won't play ball unless they control everything. We re so *** stupid it's laughable.

[the big wheel]

Oil industry is the present it is not the future the future is what the east is doing technology manufacturing etc etc.
We re backwards hillbillies being used.

[Oliver88]

Your the one that doesn't get it. The oil industry has all the strings pulled to get what ever they want they don't need us except that we vote in their puppets then we wonder why we have had no vision or development of any other industry. On top of that when oil goes up that's going to help manufacturing or anything else here this side of the Rockies?
I m all for the pipelines but we should be dictating under the circumstances other wise the oil industry can fk off someone else will do it just like foreigners will come farm the land if we don't like to be screwed. They'll come farm the land in order to get access for other things not only cheap grain but immigrate people etc.
The oil industry is no one s friend people just don't get it. They won't play ball unless they control everything. We re so *** stupid it's laughable.

You seem to be all over the map with your rant but if the oil industry has "all the strings pulled" to get whatever they want they sure are doing a bad job at that or else they would have more pipelines.
Being anti-energy industry and anti-oil pipelines like Trudeau and his climate alarmists have since 2015 simply sends investments to USA and other countries. Our federal economy is suffering because of these policies as well so a strong energy industry is important.

It sounds like 95% of farmers agree that oil pipelines improving grain movement due to reduced competition for the tracks as well as demand improvements for the efficiency of the railways, both of these things can easily be done at the same time and both will benefit us.

[the big wheel]

So they aren't going to continue using the rail system with the pipeline built? You know this?

If they don't use the rail system will the rail cos have to downsize to a point where it's all the same as now maybe worse?

What are we going to be charged for oil here if the pipeline gets built?

The increased oil price what will it do to
The cost of shipping out grain?

If 95% of farmers have made their judgement without knowing these questions it's no wonder the problems in ag never get solved.

[Misterjade9]

Of course oil is going to continue on rail, it always has and always will. What we are trying to get you to understand that if there was less oil on the rail there would be more room for grain. That being said as I have stated in some other threads pipelines are dead in this country and Sunday's announcement probably has affirmed that. the RR's are not going to invest any more money on infrastructure or equipment, and the enviro nuts will never let another track be built through the mountains. That means we will have to live with the grain movement capacity we have now. So what's the answer? I think the grain cos. need to invest in inland port space, in a facility that could be filled up when the weather is good and is a short haul over the mountains when grain is needed for ships. The RR's for years told us we need bigger terminals with bigger car spots so they could be more efficient, how has that worked out, now they want looped loading facilities, what good is that when terminals load cars and they sit for weeks before being picked up. We need to think outside the box, some on this site have talked about Churchill, that is a none issue, why move grain into a port position that was used to sell grain to Europe and the FSU we don't sell to them any more our markets are the Pacific Rim.

[sawfly1]

sf3 I did not blame Harper for anything about Humboldt.
you are the one playing politics with tragedy.
shame

it is pretty obvious nobody fixed nothing .
with the rail roads
because we are right back with 45 and 65 % of orders filled.

you think Harper fixed it all up .
with a 150,000 $ fine never collected.

Trudeau has done nothing either, about transportation .

so how can you berate him for being as just as effective as your hero Harper.

[the big wheel]

Why haven't we been able to
Cry loud enough so that the provincial and Feds buy us our own rail line to the coast that way the oil industry can use our scraps of trains to transport more oil to the coast?
lol
Because that's thinking outside the box and not like brainwashed puppets.

Are we not the backbone of this country?

[Oliver88]

So they aren't going to continue using the rail system with the pipeline built? You know this?

If they don't use the rail system will the rail cos have to downsize to a point where it's all the same as now maybe worse?

What are we going to be charged for oil here if the pipeline gets built?

The increased oil price what will it do to
The cost of shipping out grain?

If 95% of farmers have made their judgement without knowing these questions it's no wonder the problems in ag never get solved.

It sounds like you want to nationalize oil production and control the price and production.
We will have to agree to disagree on that being a good idea.

Can you name one negative thing that the Trans Mountain Pipeline would lead to in Canada?

[helmsdale]

Same problems really nothing has changed.

When I hear that my neighbour has trucks picking grain up in trucks to go to Abbotsford BC ...the system is 100% ****ed.

Hauled grain to abbotsford, chilliwack, Sumas, when it used to pay something. Glad someone else is willing to run the rocks for pennies. They don't call them poverty wagons for nothing.

But, for you and I trying to hit the export market, they're actually doing us a favour by keeping unit trains rolling in and out of the terminals rather than constantly splitting off cars and shunting small car lots to all the flour mills, and feed mills in the lower mainland. When the government starts looking over their shoulders, the domestic end users in the lower mainland get dropped like hot potatoes cause they don't count as cars delivered to port, and introduce inefficiencies into the rail network.

Last I checked, there was only $60/mT difference between lethbridge/Calgary, and the lower mainland. No way in hell would I crawl the rocks for $60!

[helmsdale]

It sounds like you want to nationalize oil production and control the price and production.
We will have to agree to disagree on that being a good idea.

Can you name one negative thing that the Trans Mountain Pipeline would lead to in Canada?

Exploded heads... of environmental zealots. God that'd be devastating