Why aren't farmers as passionate about grain moving as oil??

[the big wheel]

I just don't get it. Almost blowing a gasket on here to die for oil pipelines and barely anything about the failures in trade deals and movement of grain???
Are farmers that brainwashed or narrow minded in support of the oil industry that they don't even see what's happenning to the entire grain industry? Are you guys getting a cheque from oil we don't know about? What the hell is it?
Even some desire oil to go up??? Really in a resource based economy where fuel moves our product and makes our product we want higher prices and that helps agriculture? Good grief!!!!

[the big wheel]

And when the pipeline gets built and it will you can say what ever you like truduea has been saying it has to happen which is unreal but has happenned, when oil companies have access to
Those higher prices are they going to charge us those high prices? Are they going to pay higher fees to us?

Would it not be prudent in our part to say hey we ll support your oil pipeline if you sell oil cheaper domestically since your gaining all this access to higher prices due to our support?
But instead what's happenning is the oil industry is crying and whining and all of a sudden I see we re even going to where federal and provincial governments are going to fund the projects???? So my taxes are going to fund a higher oil price to run my farm?? Really???lmao!!!!

[Crestliner]

I agree Big Wheel....people have gone broke fighting the railways for better grain movement and the rogering they give to the farmer. The government fails on so many levels the farmer....gives lip service to a impotent Transportation Agency and a watered down bill C49 as a solution.

I personally would like to see some radical moves here to improve the situation, but maybe it’s just you and I that are having the problem.

[bucket]

you guys notice in the last 2 grain fiascos...2013 and 2018 .... the grain companies are pretty quiet....and when grain does start to move something weird happens ....

[furrowtickler]

you guys notice in the last 2 grain fiascos...2013 and 2018 .... the grain companies are pretty quiet....and when grain does start to move something weird happens ....

Yup , I mentioned that in 2013 .
Have yet to see grain companies stick up for farmers at all.
Westernvickie has been the only one on here , although they farm as well . But still good to see.
But in media , it’s very rare if at all, grain companies mention anything about poor rail movement.

[farming101]

Graincos are providing part of the funding for the Ag Transport Coalition which was referenced countless times during this latest failure to move grain

[bucket]

Then they should tell someone how to understand the report....because this started a long time ago....it started before winter...

[sawfly1]

while the oil co.s giving Canada a deal on oil is a nice idea.

it is illegal under NAFTA.

that was part of our sovereignty we signed away in the deal.

if trump tore up NAFTA , that could happen . but it is not going to.
Trump is all BS.
and at least the fed govt. realized that in the negotiations .

and why oil pipelines are a hotter topic among farmers than rail movement is .

the same reason the Conservative party says nothing is because of embarrassment .

harper in power for 2 terms , less than nothing done.
they would hardly acknowledge a problem.
little lone fix it .

on the other hand


the lack of pipelines , can be blamed on the liberals , NDP and green.
and there is some truth to that. but it is just part of liberals NDP , and all the green

but that is basically it.

now if Notley and Trudeau take the stance they have taken in the last few days .
and push it thru . even if govt. money is involved .

that is actually doing something.

good for them . hopefully they have balls to follow thru .
standing up against your own .

that would be the day when the conservative's stood up against the rail roads and grain co.s .
never gonna happen ,

that is why , oil movement is a hotter topic than grain movement , among farmers
escape the reality ,
that the folks they vote for work for someone else

[farmaholic]

This farmer is very passionate about moving oil!

..............IN PIPELINES!!!!!!

[SASKFARMER3]

Wow, sawfly that was the biggest dribble of bullshit i ever read.

Oil is a hot topic because the oil is using rail and it trickles down to grain we get pushed back.

Just watch at a rail crossing and count cars.

Trainspotting.

But the other problem is a useless twit in Ottawa who couldn't care one second about us.

He wasted 150000 just to fly to sit in the back row in Humboldt. Someone knew where to keep the selfie king and I applaud them that they didn't let the fool get his way. You could tell he was hurt. Hopefully, he enjoyed his Dairy Queen ice cream before he went home. THe fool.

[the big wheel]

It's not only the movement of oil and grains it's all the other issues as well
One sided contracts
Grain grading and price sxrewing
Price transparency
On and on and yet some are so involved to help the oil industry when they set their own prices they control governments and they need our help?
And no one wants to talk about the question when they get higher price is That the price we will pay?
On another thread oil well abandonment was brought up I wasn't aware it's that much money involved why isn't this talked about? If it isn't talked about do we know who is going to be on the hook to pay for it? I do!!!

[the big wheel]

Another question needs to be asked when the pipeline is built there will be expansion in that industry will there be enough royalty collected to pay for that expansion or is all the real money going to the companies out of the country and we ll all be left holding the bag and paying for the infrastructure building and maintaining. We ve already seen the door open now Alberta and Feds are going to pay for the pipeline I can see it. ( every one of us is gonna pay for it)
Is there a plan or is it like in saskatchewan where the provincial party puppets all were made millionaires and we were all left with pst increases and selling of everything not oil to pay for oil?
Is there actually a plan for
What's going to happen?

[farming101]

Then they should tell someone how to understand the report....because this started a long time ago....it started before winter...

Yes it did. Why did Grain Monitor employed by the federal gov't more or less say that things weren't too bad when KAP was ringing the alarm bell back in October? That didn't help

https://www.manitobacooperator.ca/news-opinion/news/unexpectedly-big-crop-moving-slower-than-last-year/ https://www.manitobacooperator.ca/news-opinion/news/unexpectedly-big-crop-moving-slower-than-last-year/

[SASKFARMER3]

One thing worries me is when you have week Gov like Alberta BC and Ottawa you have snap decisions and Nut case yesterday hinted they would build or supply the money. If I was an oil exec I would say was leaving and play the weak gov card.

With full intent to build.

That's just me as honestly we have the poorest leaders Canada has ever seen running provinces and the country.

Easy pickings when dealing with stupid people.

On the grain side, Ritz dropped the ball way back when.

The end of the wheat board was done wrong.

You are correct about things they needed to address.

[sawfly1]

sf3 Trudeau did the exact right thing in Humboldt.

he neither took center stage , he mourned and visited the injured

nor did he not show up at all.

either of which , you would have gone off the deep end for years about..
True

just shows you would find fault in what ever he did .

just as you will still find fault if Notley and Trudeau manage to build a pipline.
True


but no fault to be found with Harper's deregulation , and lack of transparency in
grain handling . you are willing to blame the puppet Ritz .
Ritz did exactly what his boss wanted. he did not drop the ball.
that was the plan .

and

a complete abdication of any responsibility in moving the country's products to market.
pretend fines . a total joke

hopefully someone in govt. some day will see this as national priority ,
and do something .

something, anything , would be a million times more than Harper ever did.
because look where we are at now