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[AlbertaFarmer5]

OK dmlfarmer. We all believe you. Climate change is real and it's caused by humans. These are facts and should not be debated or questioned. However, my question is why is climate change a bad thing? I think most here would enjoy a longer growing season and the ability to plant new crops such as corn and soybeans. But maybe I'm just confused.

Everyone except Grassfarmer.

So far, the evidence is that the net result of changes has been positive for the human race.

In a previous thread I asked for real time evidence of the catastrophic results of CAGW on agricultural output. 30+ years after the first dire predictions, they should be easy to find, even though farmers have successfully adapted to an improved and more benign climate, no one has been able to provide any real cases of decreased production on a global scale,just more dire but vague predictions about what will happen in another 30 years into the future.
This is not results based science, it is backwards looking, creating the narrative to fit the reality, regardless of what the reality is.

[dmlfarmer]

OK dmlfarmer. We all believe you. Climate change is real and it's caused by humans. These are facts and should not be debated or questioned. However, my question is why is climate change a bad thing? I think most here would enjoy a longer growing season and the ability to plant new crops such as corn and soybeans. But maybe I'm just confused.

First, I have never said humans are 100% responsible for climate change. But I have no doubt we contribute to it. Use of fossil fuels is not 100% efficient - far from it in vehicles. Waste heat is produced and given the huge burning of fossil fuels over the past century, we have to had an impact. Simply drive by a flare stack and you will witness a wasteful contribution to global warming.

Second, climate change and global warming MUST be debated and questioned. Just like me asking the solar radiation crowd about arctic temps. It is people on BOTH sides who are so closed minded that they even refuse to consider both sides of the discussion that is causing problems and preventing affordable action.

But you asked a good question and here is my response:
Food production: global warming means hotter, but that does not mean there will be more rainfall, or even enough to offset the transpiration loss caused by hotter growing conditions. We could see even drier conditions in Palliser Triangle and expansion of this short grass prairie area. After all difference between Edmonton and Medicine Hat average summer temps is only 2C. We all know what happens to canola if we get 30C + temps throughout flowering. More violent storms increasing hail and flood damage. Bigger need for irrigation which is a limited resource. New insects and disease pests. etc. In Michigan in 2012, the well above normal winter temps resulting in Cherry trees budding too early and farmers lost an estimated $220 million in cherries that year. Introduction of new plant diseases and insects.

Natural Disasters: Between 2007 and 2017 it is estimated the US alone spent $350 billion in fighting forest fires and recovery from natural disasters. Global warming is said will increase such problems. Look at what it cost in Canada fighting forest fires in BC, last year. Fires made worse by lack of rainfall, high temps, and trees killed by pine tree beetle which are rampant because we no longer have cold enough winters to kill them naturally. How many more High River floods or Fort McMurray, Slave Lake fires will we get if temps continue up?

Health. West Nile virus is now in Canada. Zika and Chikungunya virus are now in US, all because the environment necessary for the mosquitos that carry these viruses has expanded northward. More deaths from heat waves.

Globably: We are now spending almost as much for AC as for heating and AC demands continue to go up as temps rise. Around 60% of the worlds pop depends on rivers fed from glaciers/mountains and those water supplies are threatened. Many of the major cities around the world are low lying, seaside and are threatned by rising sea levels. On a global scale we simply cannot afford the potential infrastructure loss or the migration which will result from sea level rise.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

First, I have never said humans are 100% responsible for climate change. But I have no doubt we contribute to it. Use of fossil fuels is not 100% efficient - far from it in vehicles. Waste heat is produced and given the huge burning of fossil fuels over the past century, we have to had an impact. Simply drive by a flare stack and you will witness a wasteful contribution to global warming.

Second, climate change and global warming MUST be debated and questioned. Just like me asking the solar radiation crowd about arctic temps. It is people on BOTH sides who are so closed minded that they even refuse to consider both sides of the discussion that is causing problems and preventing affordable action.

But you asked a good question and here is my response:
Food production: global warming means hotter, but that does not mean there will be more rainfall, or even enough to offset the transpiration loss caused by hotter growing conditions. We could see even drier conditions in Palliser Triangle and expansion of this short grass prairie area. After all difference between Edmonton and Medicine Hat average summer temps is only 2C. We all know what happens to canola if we get 30C + temps throughout flowering. More violent storms increasing hail and flood damage. Bigger need for irrigation which is a limited resource. New insects and disease pests. etc. In Michigan in 2012, the well above normal winter temps resulting in Cherry trees budding too early and farmers lost an estimated $220 million in cherries that year. Introduction of new plant diseases and insects.

Natural Disasters: Between 2007 and 2017 it is estimated the US alone spent $350 billion in fighting forest fires and recovery from natural disasters. Global warming is said will increase such problems. Look at what it cost in Canada fighting forest fires in BC, last year. Fires made worse by lack of rainfall, high temps, and trees killed by pine tree beetle which are rampant because we no longer have cold enough winters to kill them naturally. How many more High River floods or Fort McMurray, Slave Lake fires will we get if temps continue up?

Health. West Nile virus is now in Canada. Zika and Chikungunya virus are now in US, all because the environment necessary for the mosquitos that carry these viruses has expanded northward. More deaths from heat waves.

Globably: We are now spending almost as much for AC as for heating and AC demands continue to go up as temps rise. Around 60% of the worlds pop depends on rivers fed from glaciers/mountains and those water supplies are threatened. Many of the major cities around the world are low lying, seaside and are threatned by rising sea levels. On a global scale we simply cannot afford the potential infrastructure loss or the migration which will result from sea level rise.

All anecdotal evidence. A neighbor works in forestry management, he says pine beetle infestations are nothing new, happened about 40 years ago last time. What is different is contigious poorly managed forests which provide an unbroken path for them to migrate through. This was not a normal state of affairs until humans started managing forest fires, and selectively logging leaving corridors everywhere.

AC is about comfort, heat is about staying alive, a more afluent society fuelled with cheap energy can afford the luxury of increased AC, irrelevant of global temperature.

An isolated incidence of Cherry's budding too early(yet cherry production continues to grow worldwide), what about all of the isolated incidents of frost and cold hurting production?

Sea level rise is nothing new, and there is nothing we can do about it except keep moving in land. Maps are available showing sea levels at the peak of the last ice age which was 120meters lower. That trend is continuing, regardless of how much CO2 we put into the atmosphere, whether we can afford it or not, we will gradually be rebuilding all of that infrastructure and resettling all of those people, as we have been doing for millenia already.

You just claimed that increased flooding and lack of rainfall are going to be the results of global warming. You are guaranteed to be correct with such broad predictions.

[Sheepwheat]

Course when it was only Indians, there was never fires caused by man...lol

[Guest]

Brrrrrr.....global warming shouldn’t be a concern in Edmonton now.

it's just weather Oliver, unless it's hot for a couple days. then it's global warming .

[Sheepwheat]

it's just weather Oliver, unless it's hot for a couple days. then it's global warming .

😝 true enough.

[sumdumguy]

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All anecdotal evidence. A neighbor works in forestry management, he says pine beetle infestations are nothing new, happened about 40 years ago last time. What is different is contigious poorly managed forests which provide an unbroken path for them to migrate through. This was not a normal state of affairs until humans started managing forest fires, and selectively logging leaving corridors everywhere.

AC is about comfort, heat is about staying alive, a more afluent society fuelled with cheap energy can afford the luxury of increased AC, irrelevant of global temperature.

An isolated incidence of Cherry's budding too early(yet cherry production continues to grow worldwide), what about all of the isolated incidents of frost and cold hurting production?

Sea level rise is nothing new, and there is nothing we can do about it except keep moving in land. Maps are available showing sea levels at the peak of the last ice age which was 120meters lower. That trend is continuing, regardless of how much CO2 we put into the atmosphere, whether we can afford it or not, we will gradually be rebuilding all of that infrastructure and resettling all of those people, as we have been doing for millenia already.

You just claimed that increased flooding and lack of rainfall are going to be the results of global warming. You are guaranteed to be correct with such broad predictions.

I heard global warming may cause hair to grow on your face Grassfarmer and dml. 😱 Better get cracking with the windmill and solar panels and permanently park all fossil-fueled modes of transportation. Can’t wait to see McKenna and Wynne with the new beard. 👏

[furrowtickler]

A view from the cool side..

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=z0P3yKJmuvc

[blackpowder]

Ah, OK. So how can todays science explain our killing our economy while the rest of the world keeps dollars flowing to pay for new ideas??

[furrowtickler]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5hSywOUGTRA