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[AlbertaFarmer5]

Dmlfarmer, Sorry I don't have time to research the facts required to refute your claims today. Busy calving cows In less than ideal conditions, Preparing machinery for a cold wet late seeding. I realize that for most of you this debate is purely academic, But for me, End of this farm, Getting this one right or wrong is the difference between a viable operation and A bunch of worthless dirt. Which is why I take it so seriously and research both sides of the debate. Still hoping for the best and planning for the worst. I know it bothers you guys a lot that someone can look at all of the evidence and come to a different conclusion

[dmlfarmer]

Dmlfarmer, Sorry I don't have time to research the facts required to refute your claims today. Busy calving cows In less than ideal conditions, Preparing machinery for a cold wet late seeding. I realize that for most of you this debate is purely academic, But for me, End of this farm, Getting this one right or wrong is the difference between a viable operation and A bunch of worthless dirt. Which is why I take it so seriously and research both sides of the debate. Still hoping for the best and planning for the worst. I know it bothers you guys a lot that someone can look at all of the evidence and come to a different conclusion

AlbertaFarmer5, I believe in science. I believe the earth is more than 6000 years old, that the earth is round, that the GMO crops we grow and foods from them are safe, the risks of disease far outweigh the risks of vaccines, and nature evolves; because the best science we have confirm these. Yet there are still deniers to every one of these principles. And most scientists believe humans are partly responsible for warming of the planet. I will not claim it is 97% of scientists; that number was based on a single study. But I have seen 8 studies and they all conclude with 80% or more of peer reviewed studies supporting global warming. Who am I to argue with such odds?

I am willing to look at evidence from both sides and question both sides. I will ask questions of either side if I do not understand as I did on this tread asking why is the Artic warmer this winter if a lack of sun spots and solar radiation is the reason we are colder here. But the only responses I have gotten are that global warming is fake news and insults.

I believe we are going to have to adapt to a changing climate and I agree with you that if we get it wrong, either way, it will be a disaster. Now I do not know to what extent man is responsible and I don't even think there is a consensus by scientists on the extent of human caused climate change, but I do know what politicians and society thinks and it does not play well for farmers in Canada. Yet instead of making a case of minimizing the costs to be imposed on us, most farmers instead simply deny global warming. Every cold and snowy day they make jokes about how global warming is working and ridicule everyone who supports it. What a great way to make your case against the people with the power to impose taxes and costs on us. And most farmers base their fake news global warming claims on nothing more than NIMBY, conspiracies, and unproven theories.

I don't want carbon taxes anymore than you but I know the "piss on you" attitude is not going to win over any global warming supporters and until farmers start supporting their position with real science instead of opinion, Canadian farmers are going to lose big time.

[fjlip]

Sheepwheat, the Artic is a big place. In fact Alert, where it was -29C the day you checked when it was reported there was water at the north pole, is actually 817 km from the pole. I think you are smart enough to know that temperatures and weather can be significantly different over 817 km. I have no idea what day that minus 29 was but tell me, was that above or below normal for Alert that day? That is the important question.

I can tell you that on February 25, 18 when it was 6.1C at the Cape Morris Jesup weather station in northern Greenland, it was much hotter than the normal -30C for that day. So for you to call reports that the Artic was not warmer than normal because temperatures for the stations you checked were cold is hilarious!

https://www.theweathernetwork.com/news/articles/freak-warm-arctic-weather-is-unusual-but-getting-less-so/96891/ https://www.theweathernetwork.com/news/articles/freak-warm-arctic-weather-is-unusual-but-getting-less-so/96891/

Well well, that must have been the similar temp in the 1100's that very few humans caused with NO F*CKING fossil fuels burned! All BS BS BS BS BS BS .....

[biglentil]

AlbertaFarmer5, I believe in science. I believe the earth is more than 6000 years old, that the earth is round, that the GMO crops we grow and foods from them are safe, the risks of disease far outweigh the risks of vaccines, and nature evolves; because the best science we have confirm these. Yet there are still deniers to every one of these principles. And most scientists believe humans are partly responsible for warming of the planet. I will not claim it is 97% of scientists; that number was based on a single study. But I have seen 8 studies and they all conclude with 80% or more of peer reviewed studies supporting global warming. Who am I to argue with such odds?

I am willing to look at evidence from both sides and question both sides. I will ask questions of either side if I do not understand as I did on this tread asking why is the Artic warmer this winter if a lack of sun spots and solar radiation is the reason we are colder here. But the only responses I have gotten are that global warming is fake news and insults.

I believe we are going to have to adapt to a changing climate and I agree with you that if we get it wrong, either way, it will be a disaster. Now I do not know to what extent man is responsible and I don't even think there is a consensus by scientists on the extent of human caused climate change, but I do know what politicians and society thinks and it does not play well for farmers in Canada. Yet instead of making a case of minimizing the costs to be imposed on us, most farmers instead simply deny global warming. Every cold and snowy day they make jokes about how global warming is working and ridicule everyone who supports it. What a great way to make your case against the people with the power to impose taxes and costs on us. And most farmers base their fake news global warming claims on nothing more than NIMBY, conspiracies, and unproven theories.

I don't want carbon taxes anymore than you but I know the "piss on you" attitude is not going to win over any global warming supporters and until farmers start supporting their position with real science instead of opinion, Canadian farmers are going to lose big time.

Data tampering/fraud has been found time and time again when the temperature data did not fit the global warming narrative. If a scientist questions the mainstream warming narrative they often get labelled a lunatic and find themselves out of work. So for 20% of scientists willing to risk their livelihood and reputation and go against the grain says alot. Hell 99.99% of scientists once agreed the earth was flat.

It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so. Mark Twain

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Dmlfarmer, I'm on my phone but I have a spare minute so I will try to give the CliffsNotes version. No time for references or fact checking So feel free to do your own research and prove me wrong if possible.

As the warmists keep telling us, the ocean is a giant heat sink, Water takes a lot of energy to heat or cool, Which is why ocean temperature lags Atmospheric temperatures especially Over land by decades. So those of us in the middle of a continent will Detect a measurable change long before The oceans do. If you look up the predominant ocean currents which bring warm tropical water to the North Atlantic, And the amount of heat energy they move To the northern latitudes, And the time scales they function on, You would probably come to the conclusion that temperatures around the Arctic Which just so happens to be almost all ocean, To be partially out of phase with sun cycles.

[Oliver88]

Brrrrrr.....global warming shouldn’t be a concern in Edmonton now.



Update: 167

In other climate alarmist news:

When Al Gore was born there were 7,000 polar bears alive.
Of those 7,000, only 30,000 are alive today. That is right - 30,000.

[dmlfarmer]

Dmlfarmer, I'm on my phone but I have a spare minute so I will try to give the CliffsNotes version. No time for references or fact checking So feel free to do your own research and prove me wrong if possible.

As the warmists keep telling us, the ocean is a giant heat sink, Water takes a lot of energy to heat or cool, Which is why ocean temperature lags Atmospheric temperatures especially Over land by decades. So those of us in the middle of a continent will Detect a measurable change long before The oceans do. If you look up the predominant ocean currents which bring warm tropical water to the North Atlantic, And the amount of heat energy they move To the northern latitudes, And the time scales they function on, You would probably come to the conclusion that temperatures around the Arctic Which just so happens to be almost all ocean, To be partially out of phase with sun cycles.

Thanks AlbertaFarmer5. The only problem with your hypothesis is that 2 days ago two new studies were released showing the ocean currents are slowing and one claims the AMOC is now the the weakest in 1600 years. If less warm tropical water is moving north, not sure how that would account for warmer arctic ocean. Second a major cause of slowing ocean currents is addition of fresh water from Greenland glacier and sea ice melt which is a result of global warming. Lots of reporting on these new studies from journal Nature itself, Scientific American, Washington Post, take your pick when you get time.

[dmlfarmer]

Data tampering/fraud has been found time and time again when the temperature data did not fit the global warming narrative. If a scientist questions the mainstream warming narrative they often get labelled a lunatic and find themselves out of work. So for 20% of scientists willing to risk their livelihood and reputation and go against the grain says alot. Hell 99.99% of scientists once agreed the earth was flat.

It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so. Mark Twain

I would counter by saying data tampering/fraud is just as evident in arguments against climate change. If you are as open minded as you want me to believe, I hope you read the paper Seepage: Climate change denial and its effect on the scientific community. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0959378015000515#! https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0959378015000515#!
It describes how vested interests, politics, and non experts have driven down scientific consensus on climate change. If you don't want to read the entire paper, at least look at section 6.1.2 dealing with global warming hiatus.
And I agree with the Twain quote. It applies equally to climate deniers too.

[Sharecropper]

Real facts Saskfarmer 3 and others who says there has been no climate change:
From Alberta Climate records:
Key Messages
•30 temperature indices and 15 precipitation indices were calculated for the period 1950 to 2010 for the Province of Alberta, including trend analysis with significance levels.
•Results provide a compelling picture of overall warming and changes of weather extremes.
•It could be confirmed that Alberta's climate is warming stronger than the global average.
•Annual average temperatures have increased by 1 - 2°C in the South, and by 2 - 4°C in the North, with winters showing the strongest warming (up to 8°C), and summer the weakest warming (often 1°C or less).
•Generally, and with few exceptions, the number of very cold days, when the minimum temperature falls below -10°C, has about halved across Alberta since the 1950s, and the number of heatwaves has roughly doubled.
•With the exception of regions with high elevations, snowfall is being replaced by rainfall (because of shorter winters).
•The growing season has lengthened by between 2 and 5 weeks per year.
•Energy requirements for heating have decreased by about 10%, but the energy requirements for cooling are increasing in the extreme south-east of the Province.
•The temperature trends reported here are likely to continue and accelerate, thus providing an indication of what we expect in the near future.
•Historical temperature records are no longer a true indicator for the future, and society must adapt to the new conditions.

Anyone who has flown over BC, AB, SK forests know the damage of mountain pine beetle and that a primary reason of the expansion of the beetle is we no longer have cold enough temps to kill the beetle https://www.unbc.ca/releases/2007/climate-change-and-mountain-pine-beetle https://www.unbc.ca/releases/2007/climate-change-and-mountain-pine-beetle
https://www.unbc.ca/releases/2007/climate-change-and-mountain-pine-beetle

From NOAA

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OK dmlfarmer. We all believe you. Climate change is real and it's caused by humans. These are facts and should not be debated or questioned. However, my question is why is climate change a bad thing? I think most here would enjoy a longer growing season and the ability to plant new crops such as corn and soybeans. But maybe I'm just confused.

[Sheepwheat]

OK dmlfarmer. We all believe you. Climate change is real and it's caused by humans. These are facts and should not be debated or questioned. However, my question is why is climate change a bad thing? I think most here would enjoy a longer growing season and the ability to plant new crops such as corn and soybeans. But maybe I'm just confused.

It is because of the massive threat of drought you see. Like in the 30’s, when climate change caused the dust bowl. Also, a 250 day feeding period for the livestock peoplekind, is perfect. Who would want a shorter feed period?

And of course, it also has to do with the much higher volatility in weather patterns. Never before has there ever been tornadoes, hurricanes, floods, frosts. You shoulda seen North America when it was only Indians. It was perfect. Weather and climate was ideal, none were ever hungry. Bison fell onto their laps. No one ever was cold, in spite of it being 1.73594 degrees colder back then. You should have seen the Indians thermometers and climate science data journals! Thanks to them, we know precisely how perfect the climate had been. You see, we want those perfect conditions back. Who wouldn’ want bison falling on your lap?