Excellent article on energy use

[Klause]

To the first "....Rob Avis is a petroleum engineer turned permaculture teacher, designer and public speaker....."

To the latter - again I say pity you can't read.

Aha.


Yet both of you didn't realize waste gas from the production of the oil is used to make the steam...

Which after a while needs less and less energy as the formations warm up.


But please, do continue listening to enviro quacks


Btw, a BA in petroleum engineering qualifies you to sit in a shack on a lease and "consult" (relay orders from Calgary)

You probably knew that though

[blackpowder]

BaHaHa. And keep them far away from moving equipment. BaHaHa

[sumdumguy]

Yep, these green blabber-mouths are so damn smart. When they walk to work, rub sticks together for heat, use wind and sun for their power and divest themselves of any use of fossil fuel, they might have a leg to stand on otherwise you are nothing but a bunch of blow-hards just like all the hypocrats Suzuki/Gore and fans.

[Oliver88]

Yep, these green blabber-mouths are so damn smart. When they walk to work, rub sticks together for heat, use wind and sun for their power and divest themselves of any use of fossil fuel, they might have a leg to stand on otherwise you are nothing but a bunch of blow-hards just like all the hypocrats Suzuki/Gore and fans.

Very true.

[sumdumguy]

Just wanna add - Vancouver, the fossil fuel haters of Canada were the largest N. American exporter of coal with 36 million tonne exported in 2017. Follow the money is right!

[chuckChuck]

Interesting article Grass.

I am sorry you have put up with the assholes on this site who are so narrow minded they can only find fault in everything that doesn't fit their hyper political view of the world.

It makes the value of commenting on this site mostly a waste of time.

Klause you once said using a 300 hp vehicle for one person commute to work was a waste of resources. That makes you an environmental radical! LOL

As far as fracking, many wells in the tight shale across north america require repeated fracking and it drives up costs and energy usage.

The oil sands are very energy intensive compared to other oil reserves. Improvements are being made but this is energy expensive oil to produce.

Avis rightly identifies home and building heating as an issue. We can easily make improvements in building design and efficiency to reduce energy usage that pay for themselves. Net zero home technology already exist that allows homes to be heated with passive solar design and generate as much energy as they use. There are examples in Alberta and Ontario.

I am not sure why many of the assholes on this site are so opposed to efficiency gains and conservation of a finite polluting resource that makes economic sense?

[biglentil]

Efficiency gains are constantly being made in modern construction. Old brick buildings were not even insulated. Passive solar might be great for 3 hours in the winter, the other 21 hours its a thermal liability. In the summer passive solar creates unwanted heat and A/C becomes necessary. Triple pane Low E windows work well the other 21 hours. 95% efficiency furnaces, air tight envelopes, heat recovery ventilation is code. Spray foaming basement joist spaces, eliminating thermal transfer. The list goes on and on. Solar panel technology is just not ready. Btw I have solar thermal, photovolaic panels and a windmill at my home. Would I recommend it for everyone, nope.

[Klause]

I built 100 square feet of solar air heater... Thought why not. If it works can cut down on gas required.


Average heat rise on a January day... 11 degrees. That's counting sunny and cloudy days, 24 hours a day.


So you tell me how I'm going to keep my family warm when solar heat would keep the inside of the house 11 degrees warmer than the -27 it is outside...

[Klause]

Interesting article Grass.

I am sorry you have put up with the assholes on this site who are so narrow minded they can only find fault in everything that doesn't fit their hyper political view of the world.

It makes the value of commenting on this site mostly a waste of time.

Klause you once said using a 300 hp vehicle for one person commute to work was a waste of resources. That makes you an environmental radical! LOL

As far as fracking, many wells in the tight shale across north america require repeated fracking and it drives up costs and energy usage.

The oil sands are very energy intensive compared to other oil reserves. Improvements are being made but this is energy expensive oil to produce.

Avis rightly identifies home and building heating as an issue. We can easily make improvements in building design and efficiency to reduce energy usage that pay for themselves. Net zero home technology already exist that allows homes to be heated with passive solar design and generate as much energy as they use. There are examples in Alberta and Ontario.

I am not sure why many of the assholes on this site are so opposed to efficiency gains and conservation of a finite polluting resource that makes economic sense?

I don't have a problem with conservation and efficiency.


I have a problem with people spouting complete bullshit as fact.

And grass... Well... He's a whole nother story usually.


Did you know cenovus fuels their company vehicles on CNG produced as a byproduct of oil extraction?


How much less energy does transferring oil in a pipe use vs on a train or even worse a truck?

What's more efficient? Pumping oil out of a well in kerrobert and pumping it to Quebec, or pulling it out in Saudi Arabia (no environmental concerns), pumping it to coast, then loading it on a ship and sending it half way around the world? And which poses a greater environmental risk?


You and grassy both spout a lot of stuff but have zero real world experience or knowledge....

[chuckChuck]

"You and grassy both spout a lot of stuff but have zero real world experience or knowledge...."

Ya right Klaus. With all your vast knowledge and experience why are you still driving truck in the oil patch to supplement your lack of farm income? You should be CEO of Suncor by now! LOL