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[biglentil]

Tth

Artic ice is back to near normal. These idiots conveniently leave out recent data if it doesnt fit their warped narrative.

[dmlfarmer]

Artic ice is back to near normal. So thick infact a number of nuclear subs got stuck in it recently. These idiots conveniently leave out recent data if it doesnt fit their warped narrative.

lol So if you get stuck in the snow at your yard, does that mean everyone in Canada would get stuck that day. How was the ice storm at your farm on the weekend? I mean you must have tree damage and falling ice damage because they did in Toronto.

And how about some actual facts about sea ice being back to normal. Here is credible data showing it is no where near normal. http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/ http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/

[farming101]

I have no doubt the climate is changing. It will impact hundreds of millions of peoples lives. The environment has a way of doing that.

The problem is that somehow people think we can outsmart, postpone, change or buy our way out of what is going to happen. Arrogance and presumptuousness at its finest.

Instead of going to Holland and getting some ideas or thinking of other practical things to do people stand around and lay blame. Fiddle while Rome burns comes to mind

[fjlip]

"The problem is that somehow people think we can outsmart, postpone, change or buy our way out of what is going to happen. Arrogance and presumptuousness at its finest."

Absolutely correct!

[biglentil]

Finally makes sense DMLFarmer stands for Dragons Mania Legends a farming video game. Because no real farmer in their right mind would advocate for the destruction of our farming industry through C02 taxation.

[15444]

Out of Grand Forks weather station yesterday - this is 9th longest winter on record. 1979 was longest. 1974 was 5th longest.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

This explanation actually does sound quite plausible, and was proposed as a possible effect long ago, by many of the same people who also said winter and snow were a thing of the past, but that is just hedging their bets, so I won't get hung up on small inconsistencies.

dml or chuck, can you help me with some information? I have no time, but would like to do an energy balance to see if cold arctic air really could spill out to the south and cause such drastic temperature difference over such a large area.

What would be the approximate line of latitude has the extreme arctic warming been confined to, and how far south has the cold extended? I'm assuming the warm has been within arctic circle, 75 degrees N, and the cooling around the globe has been between there and roughly 38 degrees south. Just anecdotally based on news reports from around the world.

If we take the area of the warm, multiplied by how much warmer than average it has been, and compare that to the area of cold, multiplied by how far below average it has been, the two numbers should be close to equal, if this theory is valid.

A quick look at a globe in front of me causes me to doubt the theory, but without doing the math, I could be deluding myself.

[dmlfarmer]

I have no doubt the climate is changing. It will impact hundreds of millions of peoples lives. The environment has a way of doing that.

The problem is that somehow people think we can outsmart, postpone, change or buy our way out of what is going to happen. Arrogance and presumptuousness at its finest.

Instead of going to Holland and getting some ideas or thinking of other practical things to do people stand around and lay blame. Fiddle while Rome burns comes to mind

Farming101: If you really believe climate is changing, then you know we are going to pay for it. The lowest estimate I can find of number of people who will be displaced by rising sea levels by the turn of the century is 150 million (others predict double or even up to 1 billion people) The cost of moving 150 million and the infrastructure for this number is astronomical. And how many of these climate refugees would you want to see in Canada? Afterall, most of the risk is to 3rd world areas where people built close to sea in river deltas. Most of these countries are already over populated and have little room for resettlement so the demands on a country like Canada for resettlement could be a big issue. It could make the Syrian war refugee number look miniscule.

Then there is the cost of sea walls to protect coasts around the world. And the countries most at risk cannot afford to protect their coastal cities so you know the demand will be on us again.

And if the prediction of severe storms increasing is right, how much more will it cost us in North America?
The US has spent 350 billion over the past decade on fighting forest fires (increase temps and drought enhanced) and cleaning up storm damage (bigger hurricanes and more tornados). How many additional hurricanes and forest fires can we afford. How many more BC fires, Slave Lake fires, fort McMurray fires, high river flooding, ice storms can we afford?

I agree that a carbon tax alone will not stop climate change. But it slows change it will buy us time to be able to find better solutions and to enable us to adapt to the change. Time is against us right now.

Instead of looking at climate mitigation efforts as a cure all, look at it more as insurance. We do not want to have to pay the full cost of the damage caused by global warming so we pay a premium now to mitigate the damage. The same way we put sprinkler systems in high rise building to prevent total loss of the highrise.

We pay now or we pay much more later, and later is coming fast.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

DML, there's only one problem with that, there is no increase in the rate of sea level rise. They will continue to rise with or without additional CO2, As they have been for millennia. People will continue to be displaced, we will have to pay for it regardless. Might as well at least have increased CO2 levels so we can grow more on the land which will not eventually be submerged under the oceans.

[furrowtickler]

How is the carbon tax going to slow change ?