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[tmyrfield]

so just imagine for a second that humans wanted to warm the planet by melting the icecaps.....here's the math.


https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/04/16/can-humans-melt-the-antarctic-icecap/


so if we wanted to warm the planet it would take thousands of years of purposeful trying, but by not even trying now the planet will burn up within a decade?

To think a carbon tax on a small insignificant portion of the globes population will somehow mitigate global warming is just insanity. or worse it is a globalist plan to indenture each and everyone of us into servitude for a government bent on destroying freedom.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

you are absolutely right. So provide me with the verified and irrefutable facts that you must have to make the claim that sea level rise is not accelerating. I am more than willing to consider these with the same nuances that you use to dispute the 4 studies I linked. But you back up your claim and until I see such studies and have the opportunity to judge their credibility, I am sorry I will not accept your word for no change in sea level rise.

As I said before, I'm a little busy calving cows and preparing for a wet muddy spring to go and do a bunch of research. If you do a Google search on the subject, you will find a lot of reputable scientists who have already done the work. You will also find a lot of people muddying the waters, confusing Continuation of a trend with acceleration of a trend.
Or better yet,Obtain the original data and verify for yourself, don't believe anything.
It is no coincidence that the a GW side always has to invoke belief in their arguments, Just like any other religion, Belief trumps facts.

[chuckChuck]

I doubt that any science will change the mind of the die hard conspiracy theorists.

I don't see many farmers questioning the impact of El Nino and La Nina. They both have impacts on weather and crop production in various parts of the world. Market analysts look at them.

It's not much of stretch to imagine that if the arctic is sometimes warmer than the mid latitudes and that it may have an impact on the jet stream and weather patterns farther to the south.

This isn't a new theory it has been around for awhile. Maybe we are seeing the results first hand?

I don't think there is a government in all of Canada, including the Saskatchewan Government that doesn't support the current science that shows humans are causing relatively rapid climate change.

The Saskatchewan Government may not support a straight up carbon tax, but they spent 1.2 billion on carbon capture at Boundary and are openly admitting that human caused climate change is real and a serious issue to be concerned about.

I am just wondering why they are not listening to the handful of amateur conspiracy theorists on Agriville if your arguments are so convincing?

[burnt]

so just imagine for a second that humans wanted to warm the planet by melting the icecaps.....here's the math.


https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/04/16/can-humans-melt-the-antarctic-icecap/


so if we wanted to warm the planet it would take thousands of years of purposeful trying, but by not even trying now the planet will burn up within a decade?

To think a carbon tax on a small insignificant portion of the globes population will somehow mitigate global warming is just insanity. or worse it is a globalist plan to indenture each and everyone of us into servitude for a government bent on destroying freedom.

"...or worse..." - would be the accurant an$wer.

$earch "UN Agenda 21" and "Agenda 2030..." and you will have your an$wer. The co$t of "$aving the planet" a$ outlined i$ clearly $tated in the$e UN document$. Read it for your$self - it'$ all there in the open.

It i$ the mo$t audacious tran$fer of wealth ever undertaken on thi$ planet: "How much will Agenda 2030 cost? Various figures have been thrown around by UN bureaucrats regarding the monetary costs of the plan, generally ranging between $3 trillion and $5 trillion per year..."

https://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/environment/item/22267-un-agenda-2030-a-recipe-for-global-socialism https://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/environment/item/22267-un-agenda-2030-a-recipe-for-global-socialism

So, the global overlord$ just love $imple-minded goof$ or "u$eful idiots" who drink the Gorakle'$ koolaid and eat $uzuki'$ crap and play hockey with Mann'$ $tick and thu$ help them $pread their propaganda and force public opinion...

dlm, forage, grassant, chunk chunk...thanks for helping the New World Order spread its stinking $4!^

$tupid peasant$ who enable the very one$ who will pick their pocket$ clean.

"Government: the disease that masquerades as its own cure".

[checking]

Plastics in oceans, there is a microbe for turning it back into oil, but is there a salt tolerant one? There is money in stacking traits.

Ocean water freezes at 28.4 degrees F. Diluted ocean water from all that dml confirmed about arctic mainland, and off mainland ice sheet melt would lead one to believe that the freezing point of the ocean water would now be somewhat higher. With the North Atlantic conveyor belt also slowing, and mixing of fresh and salt water not sinking nearly as actively, I would think that the Arctic Ocean has gained some ice building capacity.

Of course if you want to believe that that has been overwhelmed by 30 degrees C increase above historical, then I guess it is permanent clear sailing through the Northwest Passage. Forget the cows, dml, a northern cruise is what you need. It's far more important for you to confirm sea level rise.

[Sheepwheat]

It's not much of stretch to imagine that if the arctic is warmer than the mid latitudes and that it may have an impact on the jet stream and weather patterns farther to the south.

Yup, warmer there tha mid lattitudes for sure..


https://www.weather-forecast.com/maps/Arctic?symbols=none&type=lapse

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Ocean water freezes at 28.4 degrees F. Diluted ocean water from all that dml confirmed about arctic mainland, and off mainland ice sheet melt would lead one to believe that the freezing point of the ocean water would now be somewhat higher. With the North Atlantic conveyor belt also slowing, and mixing of fresh and salt water not sinking nearly as actively, I would think that the Arctic Ocean has gained some ice building capacity.

It is really quite amazing how nature's pendulum only swings so far before the very action itself sows the seeds of it's own destruction. Holds true for ice ages.

[checking]

I think there should be a continental drift tax to save the North Atlantic current temperature conveyor belt.

I see you get that the planet should be more concerned about an ice age than global warming. Why can't you stick to that? We will need plenty of GHGs to stop the cooling.

[seldomseen]

Burnt you hit the nail on the head. Its all just a scam and it is stealing money from the every day Joes.

[fjlip]

Perfect answer burnt!
Major collaboration of EVIL SOB's hell bent on wealth transfer.

[furrowtickler]

It’s all part of ,and admitted by head UN officials .... it’s a wealth distribution plan first and foremost - on record saying so .

Chuck I just want to say , *** you .
You a self proclaimed farmer , do you actually understand the implications of Agenda 2030 to your future farm ? Or are you selling out and gone ? How about cutting your current income in half or less , or you kids living on 1/3 of what you are currently ? Do you think that’s sustainable for them ? Under this current direction , that exactly where they will be . But also , then giving your or your kids land away to “others “ as part of the wealth distribution plan before your kids even have a chance. It’s 100% in that agenda 2030.
That is what this whole climate scare , discrimination and inclusion horseshit is about , and admitted .. openly by the UN.
This is the plan , they have said it, in public , this is what they will do if we are stupid enough to fall for this b/S .
The amount of paid off corrupt enviro scientists that sheeple believe is staggering now .

BTW , most of us on here are not “assholes” as you called us , we are not climate change “deniers”, we are simply climate change critics of the absolute b/S extremism from the likes of you and the paid off “science “ experts. It is insane the b/S that is coming from the drivel you post . Humans do have an impact , that we all agree , it’s the extreme climate events blamed and going to be paid for by us that is horseshit while the very people polluting the earth horribly get off scot free , that is the issue that most of us here see through. The Greenland ice sheet will not disappear in thousands of years or 100% of the arctic ice . Those believing so are have been hypnotized. The ocean levels will not raise 10 feet in our lifetime or any of your grandchildren’s lifetime . Simple fact , why do the central banks and long term investors still dump billions of 20-40 year mortgages into ocean front properties for condos , hotels and on and on ????? Because they know this whole global warming and ocean level rising 10 ft is absolutely horseshit . They would never put their money at risk if that was the case .... ever.
The UN agenda 2030 will crush any average Joe who owns land that is not a in the extreme wealthy club . The elite will maintain 100% of their wealth while jetsetting around the globe , burning massive amounts of carbon telling us and our children how to correct our evil lives .. are you fukin kidding me ! While maintaining 3-4 mansions and a few cheap foreign workers to scrub their toilets to live like kings and queens. No different than 200-300 years ago . We are falling into the same trap ... it’s all our fault and we must pay . How’d that go back then ? Oh ya , our ancestors, including yours got the hell out of Europe for that reason .
That’s from everyone one here that has any common sense whatsoever.

Again the “carbon tax “ is a complete scam the rob the “wealthy” middle class to pay for the guilt of the massive pollution of this earth that the very elite class has profited from for the last 100 years . It’s called passing the guilt to the “gullible “. And by any means possible they are trying to accomplish that.
It is simply sickening to witness.
The majority of farmers in Western Canada are already miles ahead of most countries in conservative environmental practices . How many other countries are using teir 4 B engines ???? Very fukin few ... that’s a fact . How many others are using zero or min tillage ?? Very fukin few .. that’s a fact . Yet we are set to be punished far worse that others .... that’s a fact .

[sawfly1]

throwing my hat in .
do not shoot.
I just watched a Nova PBS program .
Decoding the weather machine .

no matter your position, you should watch it. Sask. carbon capture even got a mention.
they certainly lay out a good case ,
the carbon levels rising are a result of humans .

the first part was proving that , the next was the effects.
then on to possible mitigations .
including what we do now , no till.

eg. that if all of NA agriculture did no till , it would soak up all the car emission's in north America .
if we can do something , to put the carbon back , we can still use the fuels. sort of.

probably most interesting is the oceans are soaking up 97 of the added heat
right now, which would make sense .
we are lucky we have that for now , , but in the long run , they would be a little tough to cool off.

I think it is well worth your time , no matter where you stand

[furrowtickler]

Just a little long term perspective..

[sawfly1]

there is a lot of really cool stuff in the program.
drilling 2 miles deep in Antarctic ice , and collecting air samples from 800,000
years ago , extracting air samples trapped in bubbles in the ice.

matching the samples to ocean temp variations , from cores from bottom of oceans .
from shells of clams , to determine temp.

net result CO2 levels match temp. thru history.
our recent spike in Co2 takes us right off the high end to levels not seen in 800,000
like 1/3 to 1/2 again
years. uncharted territory.
we all know black ground soaks up more heat than snow and ice .

they are talking a 3 ft. rise in sea level in 50 years.
no skin off our nose , we will all be dead anyway.

Greenland if completely melted , would rise ocean 26 ft.
Antarctica completely melted another 120 ft.

science could save our grandchildren's ass on this thing .

I agree with furrow we do not need a wealth transfer scheme .

but we should heed what science is telling us .

unless you think it is all a big conspiracy

[sawfly1]

furrow your chart cuts off, where mine begins ,800,000 years , you are really going back.

seemed like they were making sense, any way.

as far back as you went , the earths crust would not have cooled yet.
it still looked pretty cold

just thought I would put it out there . about the program .

and I am too lazy to correlate CO2 , levels to temp . 4 billion years ago
maybe tomorrow.