Seed Synergy

[sawfly1]

Klause , you have it figured out right.
they want transparency .
( hell we as farmers do not even have the right to now , what our product is worth
being loaded on the boat)

Transparency
for them is the key to collections.
under UPOV91 , they have the framework to collect from elevator to port.

are we nuts , letting seed co.s decide what varieties , we are not allowed to ship.
guess which ones they will pick?

and of course they support fam saved seed, in words anyway
not in actions
. ( until they don't )

your old public Var. , are not good enough, so you can not put them in the system.

and with User agreements anything developed even . 25-30 years ago .
will never be accessible.

no competition from anything but 40 year old public varieties.


then you get crop life deciding we can not treat our own canola.
but they will sell you stuff for wheat.

lots of tricks , to heard us into the system they want .

with the user agreements on wheat and other crops , all in place
maybe we can plant our own seed,
after we send the check. of course.


no dam way , should they police themselves , and give them rights to police us.

it is bad enough how they lobby the govt. to screw us now.

all their BS and there is no talk of farmer or consumer input or control.
which should be the 2 most important items .

[bgmb]

This is one area where the FSU and South america has a big advantage over us. They are basically using the same seed tech as we are but for free or at a much lower cost. It is important to have access to non patented seed. Good example is in the soybean seed business where everyone has the option to buy bare untreated "brown Bag" seed. They also have the option of buying the latest and greatest protected variety. Nice to have that choice, maybe on a marginal chunk of land the brown bag makes more sense or maybe to a farmer starting out who wants to keep costs and risk very low. I did hear that in areas where brown bag beans were very common that deals were being made on TUA fees to encourage planting of non brown bag seed. Several years ago before farming was cool and it was very difficult to make money many farmers were also experimenting with binvigor with mixed results.

[Klause]

This is one area where the FSU and South america has a big advantage over us. They are basically using the same seed tech as we are but for free or at a much lower cost. It is important to have access to non patented seed. Good example is in the soybean seed business where everyone has the option to buy bare untreated "brown Bag" seed. They also have the option of buying the latest and greatest protected variety. Nice to have that choice, maybe on a marginal chunk of land the brown bag makes more sense or maybe to a farmer starting out who wants to keep costs and risk very low. I did hear that in areas where brown bag beans were very common that deals were being made on TUA fees to encourage planting of non brown bag seed. Several years ago before farming was cool and it was very difficult to make money many farmers were also experimenting with binvigor with mixed results.

A treated, innovulated rr2 bean in Argentina retails for between $32. And $51 USD/unit.


Their seed law allows them to reseed these beans provided they pay a $12-20/unit tech fee for three years.

After that they can reseed without any requirements.


Very few pay the tech fee. Lol.

[bgmb]

So buy 100 ac the first year seed 3000 of own seed the next year and pay tua on 500ac. I am sure in the south they are maybe even using the same genetics we are here

[Klause]

So buy 100 ac the first year seed 3000 of own seed the next year and pay tua on 500ac. I am sure in the south they are maybe even using the same genetics we are here

Lots of beans in Argy and Brazil are Don Mario (world leader in bean tech) Monsanto and syngenta.


Some pioneer but not many

[sawfly1]

yes that is the thing,
they want to know the exact varieties , produced on every acre.
and they will take their cut at terminal or port , no matter how many brown bag acres.
or how low your seed rate. they do not need to sell you seed , at all to get paid
the rules are in place to collect one way or another

which would all be fine in the scheme of things .
if and only if , off patent varieties went to the public domain after 20 years.

then you have a base to value their improvements in the market place.

they have conveniently skipped out of their end of the age old patent bargain.

the Bargain being ,
we as a society , will protect you , your innovation from others stealing it .
or others profiting from it .
for ( used to be 15 years , now 20 ? )
in return for that protection
the innovation shall become public after the patent expires.

they are getting around their end of the bargain, with user agreements .
they never become public property .

if the same rules applied in other inventions , end user agreements.

you would still be paying , 1200 - 1500 $ for a microwave oven .

if this is the free market , well let us dam well have a free market.

what if korea or china comes up with a great canola for us to grow , and cheap too.
do you want the current seed co.s in charge of whether we can
use the new seed or not .

[biglentil]

yes that is the thing,
they want to know the exact varieties , produced on every acre.
and they will take their cut at terminal or port , no matter how many brown bag acres.
or how low your seed rate. they do not need to sell you seed , at all to get paid
the rules are in place to collect one way or another

which would all be fine in the scheme of things .
if and only if , off patent varieties went to the public domain after 20 years.

then you have a base to value their improvements in the market place.

they have conveniently skipped out of their end of the age old patent bargain.

the Bargain being ,
we as a society , will protect you , your innovation from others stealing it .
or others profiting from it .
for ( used to be 15 years , now 20 ? )
in return for that protection
the innovation shall become public after the patent expires.

they are getting around their end of the bargain, with user agreements .
they never become public property .

if the same rules applied in other inventions , end user agreements.

you would still be paying , 1200 - 1500 $ for a microwave oven .

if this is the free market , well let us dam well have a free market.

what if korea or china comes up with a great canola for us to grow , and cheap too.
do you want the current seed co.s in charge of whether we can
use the new seed or not .

No wonder they give awards to Bto's like Delage, the fewer the farmers the easier it is to peddle this kind of bullshit.

[Dylan]

I would like to know who decided to reclassify all the cwrs varieties to the Dark northern class....

Last fall the elevator couldn't tell what variety I was delivering....

All they knew was that it had protein.

There is no such thing as a dark northern class. It's Canada Northern Hard Red and the new class was created to keep the gluten strength of the regular CWRS class. This information has been in papers, online, and at every producer meeting I've attended in the last year. You'd have to be under a rock to have not heard why they created the new class.

[Guest]

There is no such thing as a dark northern class. It's Canada Northern Hard Red and the new class was created to keep the gluten strength of the regular CWRS class. This information has been in papers, online, and at every producer meeting I've attended in the last year. You'd have to be under a rock to have not heard why they created the new class.

Yea so everything can be gluten free , ffs

[Dylan]

Yea so everything can be gluten free , ffs

This has nothing to do with the gluten-free fad/trend or whatever you want to call it.

It about the gluten quality of the wheat. Wheat with low gluten strength makes shitty bread, it doesn't rise. That's all. No catering to anyone. Just keeping Canadian wheat to a high standard.

Oh and there's talk that the CWB knew about this for years and did nothing, even though it had the potential to ruin Canada's wheat reputation.

[Guest]

This has nothing to do with the gluten-free fad/trend or whatever you want to call it.

It about the gluten quality of the wheat. Wheat with low gluten strength makes shitty bread, it doesn't rise. That's all. No catering to anyone. Just keeping Canadian wheat to a high standard.

Oh and there's talk that the CWB knew about this for years and did nothing, even though it had the potential to ruin Canada's wheat reputation.

so tell me , if red water is a new variety , who in the f$&k let it get registered and why ???????????

[Bowerpower]

Gee I didn’t realize I was getting a premium for gluten strength.......

[Bowerpower]

so tell me , if red water is a new variety , who in the f$&k let it get registered and why ???????????

Exactly. Should never have been a cwrs. Only as a Canada northern.

[Guest]

Exactly. Should never have been a cwrs. Only as a Canada northern.

but then they wouldn't have been able to charge $15-$17 per bu for seed

[Guest]

i presume the wheat growers will be all over this to find out how it got registered? making good use of our check off $'s