HRSW variety declasification

[Guest]

The more i think about this , the more it pisses me off . Especially the one “redwater” that someone on here said that it only has been registered a couple years ? If this is true it is absolute BS. Anyways bitching on here wont help , so i am waiting for a call back from CGC and WCWG . Anyone have numbers , names that we can call ,of anyone involved in licencing and deregistering please post them on here . I will do the same once i get the right ones . We all know where this is headed . Get on those phones and emails ! Demand that wcwga do their own independant gluten testing . Anyone with half a brain knows this grain isnt getting seperated at elevators . Akso CGC needs to demand that grain co’s show proof that they have sold wheat as the new lower grade, for the same amount as bought . Bet that would make some of them squirm

[wmoebis]

The more i think about this , the more it pisses me off . Especially the one “redwater” that someone on here said that it only has been registered a couple years ? If this is true it is absolute BS. Anyways bitching on here wont help , so i am waiting for a call back from CGC and WCWG . Anyone have numbers , names that we can call ,of anyone involved in licencing and deregistering please post them on here . I will do the same once i get the right ones . We all know where this is headed . Get on those phones and emails ! Demand that wcwga do their own independant gluten testing . Anyone with half a brain knows this grain isnt getting seperated at elevators . Akso CGC needs to demand that grain co’s show proof that they have sold wheat as the new lower grade, for the same amount as bought . Bet that would make some of them squirm

The WCWGA are in favor of it I believe. Maybe even the driver behind it being Ritz's go to group for producer input.

https://wheatgrowers.ca/news/wheat-growers-support-canadian-grain-commission-wheat-re-classification

[Braveheart]

What is happening re specs on wheat is in the collection and delivery process. Car spots used to be smaller and Bracken Formula car allocation across the prairies would result in grain from all over the prairies would end up in position. The commingling of the same or different varieties but all the same class would yield a cargo that end users found satisfactory. Wheat, grown in different areas often has specs different as climate and soil type changes and brings different results.

Nowadays, one grain co with different points but the same geographic area can put together enough 112 multiples to fill a salty. So, the whole cargo could be from a small area on the prairies, same climate, same soil type.

There is also the theory that fungicide use is destroying gluten strength. Sounds a bit weak to me.

I don't know what the WCWGA has for policies but, if you aren't a member they don't owe non members an explanation on anything.

[bucket]

Brave heart

Respectively....they do if they have the ear of the government and it affects all farmers.

[Braveheart]

The real issue on wheat/classes etc is that wheat should be sold on specs. Ie. There are some CPSR varieties that have very good milling specs. So, a variety like AC Penhold shouldn't be priced as a CPSR, but should command a price like the current CNHR. Some current CNHR should have a higher value (based on specs) than other wheats in that class Domain comes to mind as it's millings specs are higher than Prosper for example.

But, can we wait to have samples tested for falling numbers, gluten strength, mixing times etc.?

[Braveheart]

Bucket, for years it's was Sask Wheat Pool that had the ear of Gov't. As a MB farmer, and not a member, SWP was never accountable to me.

Gov'ts change. Liberals never listened to the WGers. They were a thorn in the Liberal side. I doubt Liberals have forgotten that and would not be accommodating.

[furrowtickler]

Bucket, for years it's was Sask Wheat Pool that had the ear of Gov't. As a MB farmer, and not a member, SWP was never accountable to me.

Gov'ts change. Liberals never listened to the WGers. They were a thorn in the Liberal side. I doubt Liberals have forgotten that and would not be accommodating.

Regardless, why are “the next best thing “ varieties being brought to market if they are no good for end users to start with ?
This leaves a black scar on our exports at no fault to producers but plant breeders are giggling all the way to the bank . Or do these varieties magically lose quality once out for a few years ?
None of this makes sense unless it is just b/S on the push to accommodate UPOV 91.
Simply how can hrsw varieties be registered in the first place if they don’t meet exports quality demands ?

[Braveheart]

If I'm a plant breeder the current situation sounds awful. I can't imagine what it costs to develop a new variety but imagine spending a pile on development, then after a couple years your new "wonder" variety drops a class then before long it's delisted?

[wmoebis]

Brave heart

Respectively....they do if they have the ear of the government and it affects all farmers.

So who was Ritz listening to when he came up with this idea. Grain Commission at one time said quality claims by buyers was unfounded so it shouldn't have been them. Someone must have brought it forward maybe someone would give us some real names.

[bgmb]

If I'm a plant breeder the current situation sounds awful. I can't imagine what it costs to develop a new variety but imagine spending a pile on development, then after a couple years your new "wonder" variety drops a class then before long it's delisted?

And really the government develops nost of the good wheat varieties so that is our money flushed away

[Guest]

so who gets the wheat check off dollars ? do they care about this ?

[helmsdale]

The real issue on wheat/classes etc is that wheat should be sold on specs. Ie. There are some CPSR varieties that have very good milling specs. So, a variety like AC Penhold shouldn't be priced as a CPSR, but should command a price like the current CNHR. Some current CNHR should have a higher value (based on specs) than other wheats in that class Domain comes to mind as it's millings specs are higher than Prosper for example.

But, can we wait to have samples tested for falling numbers, gluten strength, mixing times etc.?

Dig around... Some buyers that are hooked in with mills are basically buying on spec. Patterson and P&H were both good to me this year even though all i had to offer was AC Pasteur. Typically grow it for feed, but it proteined out this year, so was bought essentially as high protein CNHR.

[checking]

Agriculture and Agri-Food Canada, Cereal Research Center, Winnipeg, breeders of Redwater.

Our tax money hard at work having varieties registered and tossed.

[ajl]

To add insult to injury the local proven seed outlet had too varieties of HRSW available: Redwater and Muchmore at a price of just over $14 per bushel. Lucky for them they are sold out of Redwater. Both of these varieties have been grown in this area.
Your completely right to be pissed CASE, the whole deal stinks. I agree with Braveheart and it likely environmental conditions in a small area that has an effect on all varieties and if the catchment area was larger it would not vary as much every year.

[farmaholic]

Buy on Specs:

1, falling number
2, protein
3, moisture
4, test weight

But is there a pile of grading demerits in the buyers arsenal of degrading factors.

Depending on the overall quality of harvest, some are milked harder one year than the next.

More blending going on than you can shake a stick at. I wonder how much winter wheat gets blended into the low Px spring wheat sales. Probably a neat little margin made.