Supply Management or NO DEAL

[farmaholic]

If the supply managed Industries in Canada lose their protection is anyone on Agriville going to start a dairy or a poultry operation(take your pick of what kind). If you expect prices to drop I'm sure some will be first in line to do it....sarcasm!

I have never begrudged a dairyman/maid their wage. In the old days they wore their knees and backs out and were married to the ****ing thing. Now the methods have become physically easier but the capital needed to adopt the new tech is crazy. The area I live in was a hot bed of small dairies. There are only two left of modest size...and its hard to fathom those two producing more milk than when the countryside was littered with them. The dairies probably consolidated and are located closer to the processing facilities now.

$4.50ish for a 4 liter jug of milk is reasonable in my opinion. We live close enough to the big city we don't have to pay small town convenience store prices.

Ask the people of Hudson Bay Manitoba what happens to the price of groceries when the supply gets cut short. That's not a free market....thats a captive market.

Buy a cow! ...better get two.

Edit; a ****en beer at Mosaic Stadium is $9.00...

Careful what you wish for.

[shtferbrains]

Didn't Harper have a deal arranged to pay out the dairy quota?

To me the dairy quota system is much the same as the ethanol deal.

Transfers the subsidy to the user but still a government mandated subsidy.

The days of it keeping the family farm thriving are long gone.

[15444]

Beer is not a staple food and going to a stadium is not a critical life necessity, so as far as I am concerned, the price for both can be the sky's limit.

[shtferbrains]

How far are we from the day nobody will lend Justin money for all his pie in the sky promises?

Every pledge he makes is borrowed money.

[15444]

Didn't Harper have a deal arranged to pay out the dairy quota?

To me the dairy quota system is much the same as the ethanol deal.

Transfers the subsidy to the user but still a government mandated subsidy.

The days of it keeping the family farm thriving are long gone.

He had a deal to compensate dairy producers based on what would be imported due to TTP obligations. 5% imports worked out to a $3 billion payout or so. So you can imagine the bill to buyout the whole system.

Which is a whole crock of shit in the first place. Quota had no value in the beginning. It was the marketing boards that changed that so producers could leverage themselves. Go **** themselves just like beef guys did in 2003. Lots of us took it up the ass for several years.

[farmaholic]

Beer is not a staple food and going to a stadium is not a critical life necessity, so as far as I am concerned, the price for both can be the sky's limit.

I bet many care more about their cigarette prices than the food prices.

Food, for too many, is not a priority and is usually only for those who don't get enough or have trouble affording the basics, and many times they always find the money for their vices.

[15444]

I bet many care more about their cigarette prices than the food prices.

Food, for too many, is not a priority and is usually only for those who don't get enough or have trouble affording the basics, and many times they always find the money for their vices.

Different than beer at stadium. Cigarette price is not dictated by price of free market, but by taxes.

[WiltonRanch]

He had a deal to compensate dairy producers based on what would be imported due to TTP obligations. 5% imports worked out to a $3 billion payout or so. So you can imagine the bill to buyout the whole system.

Which is a whole crock of shit in the first place. Quota had no value in the beginning. It was the marketing boards that changed that so producers could leverage themselves. Go **** themselves just like beef guys did in 2003. Lots of us took it up the ass for several years.

They sure threw us under the bus in 2003 but will fight to the death of other industries for dairy. I don’t like Trumps antics and two bit art of the deal bully tactics but let’s face it Canada is propping up an obsolete dairy industry in Quebec and Ontario. Where else are 30 cow dairies still viable? On the flip side American dairies are on a race to the bottom to produce their way out of low margins. So before we think punting quotas will make Trump our friend is foolhardy. Give him an inch he’ll take a mile. Canada done away the crow rate in exchange for nafta in good faith USA would stop subsidizing it’s small grains farmers. Never happened.

I think 99% of us here can agree Trudeau and his gang plus Notley in Alberta are a train wreck. People looked for a change and only for change sake. Same can be said of trump. I don’t care what side of the spectrum we sit on but can’t you see how we are manipulated and turned against ourselves, unable to effectively debate one another without it escalating to a **** fight? I’m referencing all political debate in general. The rise of populism is a symptom of a system in trouble of crumbling because well placed bots and trolls have more influence over a lazy low informed electorate than rational thought and discussion. Foreign meddling is real whether Trump was in bed with Putin or not. The master chess player in the Kremlin has his agenda for the world that suits him. Not to mention other interests as well.

[15444]

Even if Canada is willing to sacrifice NAFTA to save supply management, it doesn't mean the tariffs go away. In fact they could go higher. How long would Fiat and GM keep plants open in Canada if there is a 300% tariff against their auto exports to the US?

How many angry autoworkers are the equivalent number compared to angry French cow tit-pullers?

Trump has figured it out. Make life miserable for 'them' and they will roll over, eventually.

[WiltonRanch]

Even if Canada is willing to sacrifice NAFTA to save supply management, it doesn't mean the tariffs go away. In fact they could go higher. How long would Fiat and GM keep plants open in Canada if there is a 300% tariff against their auto exports to the US?

How many angry autoworkers are the equivalent number compared to angry French cow tit-pullers?

Trump has figured it out. Make life miserable for 'them' and they will roll over, eventually.

Think my point was if we got rid of supply management I don’t think it would do much in the long term for trade. Still think supply management days are numbered.

[sumdumguy]

Let Justin keep poking the bear, it ain’t gonna be pretty.

[SASKFARMER3]

Dairy is vote getter and that’s all. Then they sell out and pay us peanuts for land in sask. BTO,s.

Yes your married to your cows it’s hard work etc but grain and livestock was thrown under the bus to keep dairy healthy.

Trudeau thinks he is so smart and that’s the biggest problem. He isn’t.

Trump is tired of the USA been screwed over and over by others because their the big dog of the world. Well he wants that title back with wealth and money and jobs for Americans. F$&k the rest attitude.

Canada needed to play ball and not side with France etc. But no our girl decided she was going to show the USA she tougher.

This isn’t going to end well for Canadians and even us western grain farmers. Most of my #1 HRS went to USA last year we need to play nice.

Plus the Canadian media laugh at trump and you think he doesn’t watch Canadian TV.

Like I said this isn’t going to end well .

Plus Trudeau pledges money that’s borrowed for every world cause and forgets about jobs and his own people.

We’re screwed.

[farmaholic]

SF3, I disagree on the vote thing, too few to carry any political weight. (Spraying this a.m.? Lol)

Everyone else:

The Supply Managed model is enviable, "produce a product at a profit, guaranteed. Simple. Like just about every other business except non supply managed Ag production.

So what's the problem? If I can't have it you can't either?

[dmlfarmer]

Why is there no outrage over the US30 billion in direct subsidies the US government provides annually to its farmers? Subsides achieve the same goal as tariffs. So why if you feel Canada should give up the dairy tariffs are we also not demanding the US give up its ag subsidies? Real free trade can only happen without both tariffs and subsidies.

[SASKFARMER3]

Most of that is food stamps.

But your right and if we had a PM with a set of balls you smooze trump not mock him and become his friend. Yes maybe supply managed Dairy gets the axe but you then take the Americans on with how they help farmers. Negotiate a deal not play in the sandbox with his boyfriend from France.

Justin steps away from the Crack Pipe and become a leader or call an election and get this game going.

Ralphy boy you were at Globe the other night with your family it was a great play but you seemed in another place. Maybe retire and enjoy life instead of going down with the Great JT.

Retire already gracefully before your blasted at election time.

Wascana is not going to give you a free ride this time. Your Done.