We gave up on NAFTA ?

[macdon02]

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/06/24/accidental-honesty-chief-canadian-nafta-negotiator-slips-up-on-camera-and-admits-theres-no-actual-negotiations-taking-place/

[Ache4Acres]

Is giving up the same as being run over by a steam roller?

“In essence, the Canadian government is lying to their citizens about the possibility of a NAFTA agreement”.

[ajl]

As I and many other predicted long ago, NAFTA is dead due to the failure of Canuckistan to offer anything of substance to the US. NAFTA and the previous FTA was a good deal for us but President Trump was elected on the basis of correcting one sided trade deals and we should have taken that more seriously. Will have to live with the consequences.

[SASKFARMER3]

Dear Mr. Trudeau.

You don't go to a gun fight with a Water Pistol.

Basically offering only TRans, gay, women's rights when negotiating a trade deal is a bad way to start its another country and what they do in there country is their business.

Trade is trade and that is what you should of worried about not the other issues you feel are important.

Dairy might have been the Sacrifice but that would have worked.

The USA wasn't worried about us it was Mexico they had issues with.

You blew it its not Harpers fault.

Thanks again

Joe Canadian.

You're just not ready, smart or talented.

PS. you also cant act.

[Hopalong]

Thinking back to the Harper government effort on the other big agriculture trade issue, our Canadian wheat board, and wonder if there are any lessons to be learned in relation to supply management.
Does not help that our municipal tax funded APAS continues to support CFA which in turn continues to support supply management.
Conservative party still not ready to come out in favour of ending supply management and it remains an issue in trade negotiations.
Might be easier to get agreement on ending it from liberals or ndp.
Trump administration has made things more difficult for all of us who support ending it.

[agstar77]

If NAFTA fails it will be due to Trump, not what we give up to appease him. To have negotiation you need two parties willing to negotiate in good faith. Trump has no faith at all. His stated goal was to scrap NAFTA. Unless we develop nuclear weapons or loan his company money ,we will get nowhere.

[Oliver88]

Trudeau has sacrificed the Ontario auto sector for the dairy cartel and his fringe group SJW demands.

I’d be surprised to see if he gains voters in 2019 if some auto manufacturer plants are shut down.

[Oliver88]

Thinking back to the Harper government effort on the other big agriculture trade issue, our Canadian wheat board, and wonder if there are any lessons to be learned in relation to supply management.
Does not help that our municipal tax funded APAS continues to support CFA which in turn continues to support supply management.

If you want your RM removed from APAS due to them supporting bad policies it would just require a vote if 4 councillors agree with you.

[oneoff]

Well... one councillor would/could be the APAS representative ...so it would take three more council votes to do the trick. But tie votes and the motion is lost so it effectively takes a potentially 5 votes out of seven.

What is deliberately not yet mentioned are what are known as perceived and "indisputable" conflicts of interests. You're then talking whether the APAS rep should be present, lobbying or anywhere close to the council table during the decision making. As well as all future votes where it looks like; you let me do my thing and I'll reciprocate.

This is way too complicated for some public representatives. Actually its really simple for those who wouldn't know a conflict of interest that repeatedly strikes them squarely between their eyeballs.

First of all; for someone who has APAS rep position; just maybe he/she wants to keep the income, grub and comfy position with any and all perks that go with a paid waste of time and resources.

That's how things can work in the real world.

[bucket]

APAS needs a lot of work to become a general farm policy group....

It has made zero difference in making policy better for producers....

I have given up trying to suggest ideas because the first thing they need to know is if your RM is in....

[sawfly1]

Nothing would satisfy trump. You think if can gave up dairy. All would be fine . Dream on.
The auto sector is hundred times bigger.
You do not give in to terrorists.
Like trump.
What will he want next

[Oliver88]

Well... one councillor would/could be the APAS representative ...so it would take three more council votes to do the trick. But tie votes and the motion is lost so it effectively takes a potentially 5 votes out of seven.

Oneoff, only 4 of 7 is required in a vote saying otherwise is false or “Fake News”.

There is no conspiracy here, you should join council and bring forward your great ideas instead of claiming everything is a conflict of interest.

[Guest]

Oneoff, only 4 of 7 is required in a vote saying otherwise is false or “Fake News”.

There is no conspiracy here, you should join council and bring forward your great ideas instead of claiming everything is a conflict of interest.

couldn't agree more Oliver, I did two terms . it's a lot of work and stress for very little . and every division in every RM has one or two farmers who are complete and total assholes who think the whole RM is there to serve them personally . that's why I got off it . everyone needs to take a go at it to understand . sounds like you are there or have been there also !

[macdon02]

NAFTA could be coming down to 2 ideologies, 1 - losing sucks and I'm gonna use anything everything and whatever is available to my advantage in order to win. 2 - we will all get a ribbon either way or all suffer the same regardless of outcome. There's a generation rift between the negotiators. I can't see Maggie demanding excellence from her kids. I was merely a parking lot supervisor at the ski hill, not an instructor. Time will tell what we deserve, i could be wrong...

[oneoff]

Oneoff, only 4 of 7 is required in a vote saying otherwise is false or “Fake News”.

There is no conspiracy here, you should join council and bring forward your great ideas instead of claiming everything is a conflict of interest.

Lets take this again , in baby steps, for those who can count to seven.

In an RM with a full complement of 7 votes; it would normallytakes 4 votes to pass a motion such as "As councillor; I make a motion that this RM withdrawn its APAS membership"

Its totally probable that one of those councillors is the APAS representative; and gets paid 0.75 dollars per km to go to the APAS convention. Also the per diems involved; and one would hope other meetings and duties for which there is reimbursement.

Now there is such a thing as conflict of interest legislation, disclosure etc. that is intended to prevent clouding public representatives minds when issues arise that may give rise to even the perception that some self serving is involved.

Thus I argue that in the case of the above motion on the table mentioned above...that there should be 6 potential votes cast.

Any abstentions count as negative votes. Any tie vote and the motion is lost too. All motions to be made with affirmative wording. You fellows do realize why that is important (or NOT)

I'm sure the last couple former councillors who responded don't have a clue about any of the above; but of the original seven around the table; and some councillors ignoring the rules and laws; its not a simple matter of the majority of a group of seven passing the motion to get out of APAS