Alberta Suffering

[Horse]

Yes hamloc I read it and what I see in your post is that 10% are taking way more of the pie than they deserve. The bottom of the pay scale still pays all the same taxes as the top on consumer goods ie gas, carbon, booze,cigaretes,movies ,tarrifs on importedgoods, but at the end of the day the high end still has a whack of disposable income,, so as to clauses theory we all become oil execs and no more problems, instead of bitching about the civil service we should just pay them all 7 figures and tax it back, problem solved.

[LEP]

Ya that's the picture but what goes into making that picture? Those top 10% and good for them have excess money to the point it don't matter what the price litre of gas is. Also they get their excess money out of paying the bottom half as least as possible almost exploitation. There is an income imbalance pay the labourers more and they can more than afford more tax also. It works the same for everyone. Don't pay the lower end much and what are we expecting them to pay more if the taxes???

Excessive salaries for make belief jobs are a crime. Remember Pamela walking getting a high paid job to be an advisor on some mine or something? Like really are you kidding! Someone pays for all that crap because that goes into the price the rest of us pay.

Oil execs give themselves raises because the can't afford roe drive to work. That xauses the gas prices to go up which means the tax will go up as it is a percentage of what the oil execs want. Never ending cycle that we pay for.

Big Wheel claims he ain't a leftie. But if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.

It is a Duck.

[vvalk]

Klause. Cry me a river it must be dam hard living on $1500/day plus mileage plus hotel/meals/ the odd fishing trip/or working weekend in Huston( probably with hooker supplied) not tp mention corperation yep must be tough getting by on a measly 2/300 000$ /yr.
And if there is dirty work to do you ph some grunt for $30/hr so you don't get your hands dirty.
We pay the PM 300 odd thousand and not too many oil execs that earn that much run anywhere as big a corporation.
The top 10 % control more than 90% of the worlds wealth. So where would you like to get the tax $ to run the country. Anyone making say 30 thousand a yr pays a far higher % of there wages to taxes than those who get the big money, Say Hunter Harrison %47 mill.

Horse. How much tax would someone making $30k a year actually pay? You made his big broad statement so back it up!

[Klause]

Klause. Cry me a river it must be dam hard living on $1500/day plus mileage plus hotel/meals/ the odd fishing trip/or working weekend in Huston( probably with hooker supplied) not tp mention corperation yep must be tough getting by on a measly 2/300 000$ /yr.
And if there is dirty work to do you ph some grunt for $30/hr so you don't get your hands dirty.
We pay the PM 300 odd thousand and not too many oil execs that earn that much run anywhere as big a corporation.
The top 10 % control more than 90% of the worlds wealth. So where would you like to get the tax $ to run the country. Anyone making say 30 thousand a yr pays a far higher % of there wages to taxes than those who get the big money, Say Hunter Harrison %47 mill.

I've never been to Houston. And never had a "hooker"... They're called escorts when they are more than $300/hr though.

I'm not sure but that "grunt" I supposedly hire at 30 bucks an hour makes (30*8) + (45*4) = $420/day plus vacation, hazard, and sub. So roughly $5800 every two weeks.



I do get dirty a lot. You don't gain the respect of your crew by leading from a shiny clean office. And I never send my crew to do anything I haven't done a hundred times... Sometimes I put the roughneck in the cab and go do that "grunt" work myself.


The PM we have does sfa. He has an entire government to make decisions for him. Pm selfie now, pm closetboy before. You need a lot more skill and ability to run a company than either of the last two prime ministers has shown.


I'm not sure where ya get the $1500 a day from. I wish I made that LOL.

We spend 6-10 weeks away from our families... Wives... Kids... To put food on the table. That's worth something.


As far as paying tax... We pay more than enough. And yeah that guy making $30,000 a year pays SFA. first 15000 is tax free. Then there's a bunch of tax credits. Half my paycheque is tax and it comes off before I get paid. Lots of programs we don't qualify for because on paper our income is too high or we have too many "assets"

[Horse]

Horse. How much tax would someone making $30k a year actually pay? You made his big broad statement so back it up!

Lets say I misstated a bit, what I tried to say is disposable income Lets say rent 13000 /groc 6000,/ ei/cpp utilities, gas ,ins,lisnce/. And everything you purchase has taxes figured in the cost. App 24% on taxable income as compared to 14% on corporate rates. What it boils down to is would you rather have 50% of a mill or 100% of 30,000$ . and what's a fair split in your mind ??

[furrowtickler]

I've never been to Houston. And never had a "hooker"... They're called escorts when they are more than $300/hr though.

I'm not sure but that "grunt" I supposedly hire at 30 bucks an hour makes (30*8) + (45*4) = $420/day plus vacation, hazard, and sub. So roughly $5800 every two weeks.



I do get dirty a lot. You don't gain the respect of your crew by leading from a shiny clean office. And I never send my crew to do anything I haven't done a hundred times... Sometimes I put the roughneck in the cab and go do that "grunt" work myself.


The PM we have does sfa. He has an entire government to make decisions for him. Pm selfie now, pm closetboy before. You need a lot more skill and ability to run a company than either of the last two prime ministers has shown.


I'm not sure where ya get the $1500 a day from. I wish I made that LOL.

We spend 6-10 weeks away from our families... Wives... Kids... To put food on the table. That's worth something.


As far as paying tax... We pay more than enough. And yeah that guy making $30,000 a year pays SFA. first 15000 is tax free. Then there's a bunch of tax credits. Half my paycheque is tax and it comes off before I get paid. Lots of programs we don't qualify for because on paper our income is too high or we have too many "assets"

We have a PM that has never ever done SFA in his life to earn a living , much like far too many “Canadians” . There is a large percentage in this country that actually believe that others should work harder and pay more tax’s for their benefit. It’s fukin ridiculous, and will eventually kill this country, I would put money on that .

[LEP]

I was at a function with a lot of gen x'ers. My brother in law looked around the room and said if a young person has initiative there are alot of opportunities out there.

I agreed and then said but the rest will happily vote to tax the shit out of him, while standing in line for their share of it.

[Hamloc]

Yes hamloc I read it and what I see in your post is that 10% are taking way more of the pie than they deserve. The bottom of the pay scale still pays all the same taxes as the top on consumer goods ie gas, carbon, booze,cigaretes,movies ,tarrifs on importedgoods, but at the end of the day the high end still has a whack of disposable income,, so as to clauses theory we all become oil execs and no more problems, instead of bitching about the civil service we should just pay them all 7 figures and tax it back, problem solved.

Horse, who is responsible for the level of tax on gas, carbon, booze, cigarettes etc? It has nothing to do with the high income earners, that is the government! Those who earn over $300000 pay 48% of their income to tax, 15% to Alberta, 33% to the federal government. Why do you dislike those who earn a higher income? Would you rather that the top 10% weren't successful? Would you prefer that the 69% of Alberta's income tax they pay didn't exist? How would we pay for government services and employees then? I don't believe I complained about the civil service in my post but what I did say was attracting wealthy tax payers to Alberta would help the government's bottom line!

[burnt]

Peterson explains the 80/20 rule, Pareto Principle - may or may not completely related, but interesting. More observation than solution. Why do a only a few end up with the most?

After watching to it, one will very easily be able to ascertain what "historical" role the various members on this forum would fill.

If Jordan Peterson is on your watching/reading/listening list, you will likely get a much better perspective on issues than you could from almost any other living person today. He is a very rare intellect, the type that comes along only infrequently in this world -and he's Canadian, eh!?

[burnt]

So horse, in light of what we learned from Peterson in the above video, would you classify Wayne Gretzky as a greedy hockey player who wouldn't share the puck? I mean, why should he hold 60+ records? Or why should the Oilers have had 4 Stanley Cups with him? (Like think of the poor Leafs, LOL!)

Perhaps Picasso or Siah Armajani were just self-serving artists who swung a brush or wielded a chisel only for their own benefit?

More problems are created than solved by over-simplification.

[the big wheel]

Peterson explains the 80/20 rule, Pareto Principle - may or may not completely related, but interesting. More observation than solution. Why do a only a few end up with the most?

After watching to it, one will very easily be able to ascertain what "historical" role the various members on this forum would fill.

If Jordan Peterson is on your watching/reading/listening list, you will likely get a much better perspective on issues than you could from almost any other living person today. He is a very rare intellect, the type that comes along only infrequently in this world -and he's Canadian, eh!?

What a simplified crock of horseshit.

He doesn't actually get paid for that nonses does he?

Take hockey if you want to simplify it that much.
If Wayne Gretzky is doing it all by himself then send all the other players home and let's watch him play with himself, how many other than the perverts would pay to watch that? He has 0 value by himself and the better that the ones around him are the better it all is. Second if he didn't have special NHL rules where. O one could touch him or if samenko wasn't there to drill anyone that even looked at him he wouldn't have lasted 2 years on his own. He knows it the hockey world knows it. So how much is samenko worth? A hell of a lot more than he ever received. And I used to watch samenko and the Calgary boys tim Hunter etc fk Wayne Gretzky he was a free loader pansy just like much of the people in the 10% once you get there the system is rigged for you. Your nothing without you workers. Many of them could do a hell of a lot better job at managing if it came down to it but life's circumstances play a huge roll in what people end up doing.

2 farmers 10 miles apart one in sand that never gets rain the other in fertile land a nice rain every 10 days. Who has the 99% chance of succeeding? does it say anything about ability? Not a thing

And if klaus you think the 30,000 dollar people are getting a. Free ride try living and getting ahead or actually try surviving at all on that wage. And in most cases they are doing as much or more than you do and I know I worked the rigs many years ago the reason I quit was there was so much money around the drug use made it an unsafe place to be. rhere weren't the safety rules ther are now.

[the big wheel]

Big Wheel claims he ain't a leftie. But if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.

It is a Duck.

Well then I guess you and I have something in common you keep saying your not an asshole sitting on bill Boyd's lap but why is that duck there in the photo!
Hahahaha

[checking]

I know, "but what have you/they done for me lately", but my beloved ML has 13 Stanley cups to O's 5.

Wayne's world was to hang out behind the opposition's net, never to venture into his own zone to defend, and he was after all "just an average European hockey player". Too nice a day to beat up history, after this morning's shower. Hard to think about cutting hay until after to-morrow.

I still think that once you get to a critical mass, money just flows into your orbit. Lots of dead bodies on the way up to becoming a billionaire. How much do you need?

[burnt]

What a simplified crock of horseshit.

He doesn't actually get paid for that nonses does he?

Take hockey if you want to simplify it that much.
If Wayne Gretzky is doing it all by himself then send all the other players home and let's watch him play with himself, how many other than the perverts would pay to watch that? He has 0 value by himself and the better that the ones around him are the better it all is. Second if he didn't have special NHL rules where. O one could touch him or if samenko wasn't there to drill anyone that even looked at him he wouldn't have lasted 2 years on his own. He knows it the hockey world knows it. So how much is samenko worth? A hell of a lot more than he ever received. And I used to watch samenko and the Calgary boys tim Hunter etc fk Wayne Gretzky he was a free loader pansy just like much of the people in the 10% once you get there the system is rigged for you. Your nothing without you workers. Many of them could do a hell of a lot better job at managing if it came down to it but life's circumstances play a huge roll in what people end up doing.

2 farmers 10 miles apart one in sand that never gets rain the other in fertile land a nice rain every 10 days. Who has the 99% chance of succeeding? does it say anything about ability? Not a thing

And if klaus you think the 30,000 dollar people are getting a. Free ride try living and getting ahead or actually try surviving at all on that wage. And in most cases they are doing as much or more than you do and I know I worked the rigs many years ago the reason I quit was there was so much money around the drug use made it an unsafe place to be. rhere weren't the safety rules ther are now.

Pretty interesting response - not sure what benefit there is in ignoring the facts behind his words. And a very strong and irrational response.

Which shows a sad lack of willingness to acknowledge and deal with reality.

So, are you denying the reality of the Patero Principle? Or the fact of the Communist Russian Great Purge?

So it raises the question, was your opening sentence a response to the Peterson clip or a warning for what was to follow...well, it's obvious, isn't it.

Cool your jets and think a bit there big wheel.

[blackpowder]

This whole thread is full of shit.