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    Huge Prairie Grain Carryout Expected! Sure it will be!

    carry out from the 2017-18 crop is going to be way bigger than usual, according to Canada’s grain monitor.

    Quorum Corp. is forecasting 12.6 million tonnes of ending stocks for western Canadian grains, well above the previous five-year average of 8.3 million tonnes.

    That means there will be an extra 4.3 million tonnes sitting in grain bins with what Agriculture Canada expects to be another big crop on the way.


    One million tonnes of the excess will be pulses with the rest being a mix of canola and cereals.

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    Quorum president Mark Hemmes said poor railway service between October and April is to blame for the bloated carryout, and there is no way to catch up before the end of the crop year.

    “There’s a finite capacity for the railways to pick it up,” he said.

    “It’s not like they’re going to get back the 30 weeks of slow movement that we saw.”

    Exports have also been disrupted by government policy, such as India’s pulse import duties and Italy’s country-of-origin-labelling on pasta.

    The good news is that farmer deliveries into the grain handling system are up the past few weeks.

    Growers have been trucking about one million tonnes per week to their local elevators. The average is usually 800,000 to 900,000 tonnes and in June and July it is typically far less than that.

    “What that says is grain companies are buying grain and they wouldn’t be buying it unless they have a sale for it,” said Hemmes.

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    If the pace of deliveries stays elevated for the remaining weeks of the 2017-18 crop year, it could knock carryout below 12 million tonnes.

    Wade Sobkowich, executive director of the Western Grain Elevator Association, said carryout is typically about 10 percent of total crop size.

    Last year, Western Canadian farmers harvested a 72 million tonne crop, so the industry was anticipating 7.2 million tonnes of endings stocks.

    The picture gets a little worse using his numbers. It means there will be 5.4 million tonnes, or 75 percent more grain, in the system than was expected earlier in the year.

    Sobkowich had a different view about farmer deliveries than Hemmes.

    “We’re outside the peak price period, so it’s more difficult to offer attractive prices to farmers and so the grain isn’t moving into the system,” he said.

    Adding 12.6 million tonnes of last year’s crop to this year’s harvest could be a burdensome load, depending on how the railways respond.

    “If the railways provide enough capacity, the rest of the supply chain has the capacity to move it through,” said Sobkowich.

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    He said demand is not an issue. If the railway capacity is there the grain companies will be able to move the product to markets around the world.

    Sobkowich said the railways have been made aware that there will be a lot more carryout than normal this year.

    Hemmes has no idea if the railways will improve their service in 2018-19, but they are definitely putting in the effort.

    Canadian National Railway, which experienced a myriad of problems in the fall and winter, is buying locomotives and training crews.

    “We were in their training centre back in the fall and it was a madhouse, like they had hundreds of people in their training centre,” he said.

    Canadian Pacific Railway, which had problems later in the shipping season, has also “upped their game,” said Hemmes.

    He believes the railways are motivated after being on a “months-long apology tour.”

    “You’ve got to think anybody in a corporation absolutely deplores having to do that, so they’ll probably do whatever they can so they don’t get caught in that mess again,” said Hemmes.

    Ah, isn't it hilarious that the trade knows the crop will be way way-way smaller this year so how do we screw farmers on price. Put out bullshit reports that state the bins are full and farmers are holding back grain.

    Reality I know of only one large Farmer with bins and bins of grain. It isnt becasue of some master plan its bacause they sold a really expensive asset and are waiting for better times. Cash flow isnt a issue.

    Talking to tons of farmers the bins are empty or almost there.

    But again in bullshit Farming world in Canada its the Parasites that run the show and screw the FArmers.

    Ah Canada.

    #2
    I thought Hemmes said everything was moving well back before Christmas.....****ing guy should have been screaming knowing full well the movement couldn't be made up later....

    The railways and graincos are not moving **** all not even close to a million tonnes a week....not even half of that....

    52 weeks people X 500000 tonnes is only a 26 mmt program.....we are growing close to 70mmt every year....

    this isn't rocket science for **** sakes.

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      #3
      They dont need to its more money for them. Drop prices becasue of carry out and oh its a small crop no problem dont pay big dollars for it. its a win win.

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        #4
        It's a win win for other producing countries at our expense because we can't move the dam product.

        Once again where is our provincial and federal ag ministers? Where is apas? Etc etc?

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          #5
          APAS is currently trying to get an abandoned line back into service.....self serving for those on that organization. ...

          Provincial and federal ag ministers??????

          They are both senile ....and in someone's pockets....

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            #6
            ......based on nothing(but my uneducated "opinion"), I don't believe the report.

            Who has a bunch of grain left? And can commercials have possession of the amount of carry over they're talking about? Why would they speculate and want to be long on that much physical product.

            Where is farming101...the Abacus guy
            Last edited by farmaholic; Jul 6, 2018, 07:27.

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              #7
              Why release a statement like that? You dont hear other countries announcing their overproduction to the world.

              We should never report our ending stocks to anyone. Apple would never say they have 100 million too many iphones. They would quietly sneak those into the market.

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                #8
                Farmers shouldn't be telling anyone anything....it never ceases to amaze me the info farmers provide here......for FREE.....

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                  #9
                  Because in Canada the whole system is designed to help all others and farmers last.

                  It’s a ploy because of the small crop coming to keep prices low.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by bucket View Post
                    APAS is currently trying to get an abandoned line back into service.....self serving for those on that organization. ...
                    Not sure which line you’re referring to but I can’t see getting an abandoned line back into service being anything but a good thing?

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Oliver88 View Post
                      Not sure which line you’re referring to but I can’t see getting an abandoned line back into service being anything but a good thing?
                      Once again I worded it wrong..sorry...it is important .....but so is getting to a million tonnes a week.....and preventing elevators from being closed....anywhere in Saskatchewan. ...

                      My point being is the focus for APAS has to be farmers as a whole....it should be to help set and possibly enforce policy that helps all farmers....

                      As an example if that abandoned line line has potential maybe instead of sinking 150 million into R&D for crops no one wants ....that money should be redirected to that project to help move grain. ...

                      Then the issue of elevator closure should have the same policy as trying to shitcan railways....where the elevators are offered to public or private interests before mothballing.....
                      Last edited by bucket; Jul 6, 2018, 21:16.

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                        #12
                        It sure would be nice to see railways and elevators stay open at all costs.
                        I would like Churchill in operation to give us another outlet or option in the event of a strike in Vancouver or Thunder Bay.
                        If the USA uses their Army Engineering Corps to maintain the Mississippi River waterway and railways maybe we could utilize our Armed Forces Engineering Department as well.

                        With the environmental loons getting their way shutting down pipelines we should plan for nonstop oil shipments on our railways though.

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                          #13
                          It seems odd that now the grain cos can justify closing the very elevator's they put in place as part of the rationalization that took place 25 years ago....

                          Concretes that haven't hit there life expectancy just closed. ....by a blip in the market ....then you see the carry over numbers.....


                          A 10000 tonne elevator represents 80000 tonnes to the market. ...
                          Last edited by bucket; Jul 6, 2018, 09:28.

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                            #14
                            Fake Fake Fake.


                            They needed a huge carryout to cover up the non existent "high yields" we all had last year.


                            Add up total tonnage shipped vs. total tonnage supposedly harvested and there's a big problem.

                            Except for pulses and durum. Those have no markets.

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                              #15
                              I only say, again, sorry for banging away, but ioneer, Cargill, Patterson, etc, too much influence, they don’t want Churchill port open.
                              Maybe I’m delusional.

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