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    #31
    Originally posted by seldomseen View Post
    Chuck I have asked before and never got an answer so I will ask again.

    Have you got your solar panels up and generating power? If you do could you tell us a bit about them or let some of us come over and have a look at them?
    Why is this relevant? Don't you want to discuss the topic? LOL

    Have you got your coal fired steam tractor and horse and buggy running? I would like to look a them.

    If you want to look at solar and wind energy projects there are numerous installations all over western canada. Talk to any solar installation company and they will tell you all about it. Sask Power is installing solar in the Swift Current area. They also have a lot of wind projects underway.

    But no doubt Sask Power is part of the great conspiracy!
    Last edited by chuckChuck; Jul 28, 2018, 13:59.

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      #32
      I mention this because you always preach to us about our evil ways so surly you must have done something to lower your carbon foot print. Solar looks like a good place to start in slowing down extreme weather events and I thought you were interested in it. I am not sure how what else we could do?

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        #33
        Originally posted by seldomseen View Post
        I mention this because you always preach to us about our evil ways so surly you must have done something to lower your carbon foot print. Solar looks like a good place to start in slowing down extreme weather events and I thought you were interested in it. I an not sure how what else we could do?
        Using less energy is good investment if it increases your profit and reduces negative effects.

        I am interested in solar. But efficiency of the panels keep rising and prices per watt keep falling. And as you know there are endless investments on a farm. Figuring out what to invest in and when is always a challenge.

        As I have said the transition to cleaner forms of energy is well underway but it will take a long time. Its not going to happen over night. Sask Power is making investments on our behalf already.

        What have you done to lower your carbon footprint?

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          #34
          Production ag causes a lot of emissions - we're not talking about those from your tractor, but from the mining extraction processing and production of fertilizers (especially N) and the transportation of goods... The more N we can fix by microbes the less needs to be produced, trucked, and applied industrially.

          Every human activity creates emissions and has an impact on the planet...


          However, the planet has been hot before... We seem to never discuss the times when palm trees grew in the Yukon for instance.

          The question is, are we changing the climate? Is the climate changing around us?

          Are we actually f***ing with the planet trying to stop the change?

          Nature is incredibly adept at recovering, adapting, and healing. The more CO2 in the atmosphere, the larger and lusher plants grow and the more CO2 they consume, for instance.

          There's also the question - does it hurt or help us? IF we warm up the Little and Great Clay Belts of Ontario/Quebec, along with large areas in northern Sask and MB would open up for agriculture.



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            #35
            cc.
            Somewhere between all these post there appears to be a common theme that people would like you to negotiate this fetish of yours with climate. Saying that you would like things to remain the same, well it doesn't seem to be working.

            What happened to the climate on Easter Island?

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              #36
              Here's some more good data graphics.

              Prairies - well, where zero till is practiced, GHG emissions are extremely low...

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              This is worrying - especially since the increase doesn't coincide with an increase in production of a similar level... (Production has increased, but not linearly to fertilizer use - which means efficiency has dropped.

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              And this is why... N2 is ticking up while the rest of emissions are dropping, and CO2 soil sequestration has stagnated.

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                #37
                So Chuck You talk the talk but not quite ready to walk the walk.

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                  #38
                  The one thing I notice about all socialists like Chuck.


                  Do as I say Not as I do!

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                    #39
                    Farmers in South Australia have been forced to feed sheep with onions that were rejected for commercial sale due to a shortage of feed. Besides the energy output of the sun declining, we also have the changes in the earth’s wobble to contend with.*The Northern Hemisphere’s last ice age ended about 20,000 years ago, and most evidence had indicated that the ice age in the Southern Hemisphere ended about 2,000 years later.

                    There have been new findings come from a detailed examination of an ice core sample taken from the West Antarctic Ice Sheet Divide for the first time. Previously, the ice cores were taken from the East where the ice is thickest. This new area of the ice is more than 2 miles deep and covers 68,000 years. They have only completed about half so far in the analysis. One meter of ice covers one year, but at greater depths, the annual layers are compressed to centimeters.*Evidence of greater warming periods was revealed in layers associated with 18,000 to 22,000 years ago. This is known as the “deglaciation” period and corresponds to the last big climate change. Obviously, that is well before civilization.*This real science reveals how our climate system actually functions and it is cyclical in accordance with the laws of physics.*Changes in Earth’s orbit changes on the scale of thousands of years. Nevertheless, as the Earth changes its tilt, some regions that were cold become warm and others that were warm become cold. This tends to be a more consistent process that is emerging.

                    West Antarctica is separated from East Antarctica by a major mountain range. East Antarctica has a substantially higher elevation and tends to be much colder, though there is recent evidence that it too is warming rather rapidly. There is clear warming in Western Antarctica in the past decades. The new data obtained from the ice cores confirm that Western Antarctica’s climate is more strongly influenced by regional conditions in the Southern Ocean than East Antarctica has been. The warming in Western Antarctica 20,000 years ago is not explained by a change in the sun’s intensity. What appears to impact the poles more so has been the wobble of the Earth. It is the wobble which changes how the sun’s energy is distributed over the planet. As the Earth*tilts, it not merely warms the ice sheet, but also warms the Southern Ocean that surrounds Antarctica.

                    Currently, the axial tilt is in the middle of its range. The third and final of the Milankovitch*Cycles*is*Earth’s precession. Precession is the*Earth’s*slow*wobble*as it spins on an axis. Nonetheless, the axial tilt, the second of the three Milankovitch Cycles, is the inclination of the Earth’s axis in relation to its plane of orbit around the Sun. Therefore, the oscillations in the degree of Earth’s axial tilt occur on a periodicity of 41,000 years. The tilt does not sound like much moving from 21.5 to 24.5 degrees. However, at this time the Earth’s axial tilt is about 23.5 degrees. As a result, this provides us with our seasons. Interestingly enough, since there are periodic variations of this angle, the severity of the Earth’s seasons changes dramatically. When we have less of an axial tilt, then the Sun’s solar radiation is more evenly distributed between winter and summer. However, less tilt also increases the difference in radiation receipts between the equatorial and polar regions.

                    The Earth appears to react significantly to a very small degree shift of axial tilt. This will promote the growth of ice sheets. There is a response due to a warmer winter, in which warmer air would be able to hold more moisture, and thus produce a greater amount of snowfall building up the glaciers. Additionally, summer temperatures would be cooler which in turn results in less melting of the winter’s accumulation.

                    Therefore, we do not have a single source that we can attribute to climate change. It appears to emerge as a combination of the energy output of the sun, the wobble of the earth, and the sudden rise in volcanic*activity. The problem gets really bad when all three converge.

                    Mr Armstrong.

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by chuckChuck View Post
                      .....

                      What have you done to lower your carbon footprint?
                      chucky hasn't done one darn thing to follow zees own advice, or reduce zer carbon footprint.

                      chucky just tacitly admitted that zhe is cut from the same cloth as climate barbie and jihadi justin - preaches but doesn't do it zerself.

                      chucky, you are the one preaching carbon reduction, not us. So quit your damned Inquisition.

                      It's you that has to either put up or shut up.

                      chucky is a typical Class A progressive hypocrite and troll.
                      Last edited by burnt; Jul 28, 2018, 19:21.

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                        #41
                        If anyone remembers 2007-08, natural gas skyrocked to $7 bucks or something. There was a shortage we were told and it was going to be more and more expensive to find and extract it. At this time, some of the climate hysteria was frothing up.

                        I was building a house at the time. I decided to do my part for the environment. I used extra insulation around the slab which is the coldest part of the house and installed geothermal heating and cooling for the basement with in floor heating. Idea was to keep the concrete warm in winter which creates a heat sink for the rest of the house and reduce gas costs by about half.

                        That winter we fired up the system and ran it for the basement. Worked pretty well so we turned it up even higher to try and heat the top level as well. Later that month I got a power bill for $1000. Turns out geothermal uses a electric motor which runs all the time when geothermal is the main heat source. The system will cool too. Tried it in the summer instead of the AC, got another big bill.

                        System is turned off now. Gas is like $2 bucks or something. That system cost $20,000. I will never recoup the capital costs nor the operating costs.

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                          #42
                          Originally posted by AlbertaFarmer5 View Post
                          It is a waste of time preaching to the rest of the converted, and you obviously did not come here with an open mind willing to consider that your opinion may be wrong and that you would allow facts to convince you....... what is the point of wasting time trying to convince you of anything, I hate to guess how much time we have already wasted on this exercise, and I doubt anyone has changed their mind.
                          I think applies to most of the posters on this forum and how many minds have been changed.


                          Originally posted by AlbertaFarmer5 View Post
                          Right out of the climate change playbook. If the facts don't support your argument, attack the opponent personally. Professional ethics are not in the climate change playbook. I'll respond to the rest when I have more time.
                          I think this also applies to most of the posters on this forum - it's not a "climate change" thing or a "leftist" thing it's the way the forum operates day to day. Accusing only "one side" of operating in this manner in itself is a demonstration of bias.

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                            #43
                            Sorry to get this back on topic and responding to the original article. Let's assume that the premise is correct, human caused CO2 from burning fossil fuesls is entirely to blame for the stalled jet stream, heat wave, drought and crop failures. In preindustrial times, crop failures would result in mass starvation, price shocks, and civil unrest. Note how grain prices are very nearly at all time inflation adjusted lows. No one in Europe will starve this winter. All thanks to those very same fossil fuels and the energy they contain, the technologies they have facilitated, the worldwide trade they have enabled, the increased yields and drought tolerance higher CO2 levels have caused.

                            Where is the catastrophic potion of the CAGW?

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                              #44
                              Most of the quoted scientists and their institutions either work for govt or look to govt for research funding (paychecks), it is no wonder most support the theory of man made climate change.

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                                #45
                                35 yrs ago we had a chance to swing away from FF. It was called nuclear, but guess who shut that industry down?

                                With nuclear, the waste product is much much smaller and can be contained locally or buried in formations.

                                The greenies can wear that one as far as I am concerned. They are more responsible for climate change than anyone.

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