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[macdon02]

It’s the main target of the cabin tax scheme. Just explained right there .
More admition of the real goal ... wealth transfer

I wanted to see how deep he was gonna dig ..... fun haters

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Just curious Grassfarmer, would your views reflect the majority of your former fellow countrymen, farmers in particular? As you likely might have noticed, rural folks around here tend to be somewhat conservative, at least in principle( or principal, never sure), so I tend to assume that farmers elsewhere have similar views, but am probably wrong. Or any other country for that matter, if anyone else has any insights?

[malleefarmer]

Well AF5 give you view right or wrong dont a rats toss bag, but here most farmers are all right leaning some middle ground some conservative some ultra conservative.

For whats its worth been to NZ have daughter there scandanavia germany uk canada and good ole usa reckon the above comment fits farmers the world over.

Many on here are seen as leftys when there actual just middle ground rightys clear as mud yup farmaholic always understands my diatribe

[malleefarmer]

Not sure if its fake news but this is from the guy that challenged our PM and DIDNT get up i must add sadly he didnt get i think hes a great guy. ps sorry to bore you with aussie politics

“My name is Peter Dutton. It is a great honour to be elected leader of the Liberal Party of Australia. These have been turbulent times. Today, they come to an end and I will tell you why in one moment.

“Before I do, as new leader of this fine party, let me tell you what I am not. I am not Tony Abbott. I am not Malcolm Turnbull. It’s said I’m not charismatic either. Oh well, I’m not here to win a personality contest. Some say I’m not exciting, a bit dull in fact. Yes, I’ve heard it all: impassive, wooden, deadpan, not just bland in front of a camera, but blank. I’m called Mr Potato Head around Canberra.

“It’s true that I’m not front cover material for GQ magazine either, though maybe there’s a chance after Barnaby made page 48 last week. Alas, only my wife, Kirilly, tells me I’m handsome and I’m not sure I believe her, though I love her more for saying it. I didn’t win the university law medal, didn’t go to Oxford on a Rhodes scholarship to study philosophy or politics. I studied business but only after I saved enough for a deposit, took out a loan and bought my first home. Then I became a policeman and I was proud to be among those fine men and women in blue.

“Here’s what else I am. I’m a proud Australian. I know where I came from, a humble home outside Brisbane in Boondall, with hardworking parents Bruce and Ailsa. I know what I stand for, what the Liberal Party stands for and what we need to do together to make Australia great again. No Apologies to Mr Trump. What’s wrong with seeking greatness? We’ve tried mediocrity. We’ve been too timid. Something has been lost in the last decade or so. Let’s lift the bar. We can’t keep spending as if it doesn’t matter. We can’t keep borrowing money, wrecking our kids’ future.

“I learned about the dignity that comes from hard work as a kid mowing lawns, delivering newspapers, doing shifts in a butcher shop right through school. You earn your money and you should be entitled to keep more of it than you currently do because you know better how to spend it than government.

“When I was health minister, my critics called me the anti-health minister for trying to bring some common sense to the portfolio in order to build a sustainable and caring healthcare system in this country. As immigration minister, I was recently branded the anti-immigration minister (by a Fairfax journo of course) for controlling our borders, for stopping deaths at sea, for building confidence in our migration system.

“What’s next? The anti-prime minister? I’ll wear that too because I’m not afraid to say what too few say: values matter. Values signal where we’ve come from and where we’re headed, providing moral ballast along the way. I’m committed to making common sense more common. I’m going to call out political correctness and social engineers who presume to know you better than you do. And union leaders who are wedded to their own power rather than creating jobs.

“I’ll be checking in on the ABC too. It has a good charter and if it can’t follow it, refusing to represent all Australians, why should taxpayers pay its wages? I won’t be recanting what I said to business leaders: sure, throw your support behind social causes but respect shareholders by doing it on your own dime.

“And let me say something about our taxpayer-funded hum*an rights commissioners. Don’t divide the great nation. And don’t forget the most fundamental right of free speech: human flourishing over the course of Western civilisation didn’t come from censorship or protecting hurt feelings.

“As prime minister, I’m not expecting to be loved. My gorgeous wife and kids love me and that’s all I need. I know what I’m here to do. As prime minister, I will work every day to earn your respect. Thank you.” Tick. Or is it tick tock, given the self-indulgent, self-destruction in the Liberal Party at the hands of Abbott and Turnbull.

[malleefarmer]

This great man was 7 votes short of being prime minister now banished to back bench and may well retire at next election australian politics geeez

[SASKFARMER3]

I have a question for Grass.

So you would like Sask and Manitoba with its small population to pay with the stupid carbon tax and Toronto with its high polluters drive drive drive to work get a free pass and prosper.

You're a special kind arent you.

Here is your sign.

[furrowtickler]

I wanted to see how deep he was gonna dig ..... fun haters

Lol I hear you but you hit it there 👍

[grassfarmer]

I have a question for Grass.

So you would like Sask and Manitoba with its small population to pay with the stupid carbon tax and Toronto with its high polluters drive drive drive to work get a free pass and prosper.

You're a special kind arent you.

Here is your sign.

Er, no that's why I brought up the "per capita bullshit". I know it's difficult but try thinking about that for a while.
The "wealth transfer" comments are predictable but equally easy to answer. The carbon taxes are going to be collected are spent provincially - no transfer to India or China.

Seems like a good place to drop in this quote.

[Guest]

wake up , the top environmental problem is too many people and no one is working on that ? India ? China ? real pollution?

[furrowtickler]

wake up , the top environmental problem is too many people and no one is working on that ? India ? China ? real pollution?

🎯 and the massive amount of environmentaly destroying plastic goods they produce .
Carbon tax revenues are to come from the “wealthy” to be allocated provincialy .
Hmmmm , my gues it disappears into provincial and federal general coffers kinda like crop insurance premiums??? A subsidy from us farmers to the general public . Klause pointed out how much was missing from crop insurance, there was an article about it but it faded away into the sunset.
The tax revenue will go to pet projects, and never be addressed to anything to help climate change , simply because it can’t

[Hamloc]

[QUOTE=grassfarmer;386807]Because reducing emissions for wealthy, high emitting people isn't much of a hardship. In the third world it could mean the difference between eating or not, life or death. For all the bitching on here about a carbon tax, if fuel prices were to double nobody would go hungry - doubtful if it would even lead to a reduction in the multiple holiday a year lifestyle enjoyed by many.

Grassfarmer, most of the time you are undoubtedly just stirring the pot but your apparent belief that if fuel prices doubled it would have little affect on Canadian's lifestyle, I would have to disagree. Everything would go up in price except of course what we get for grain or beef because all the extra freight and associated costs would be passed down the line to us. As for holidays in my 35 years of farming I might have taken 5 holidays, I was always tied down by my livestock.

The real question is this Grassfarmer, what do you think doubling the price of fuel with tax increases would accomplish?

[macdon02]

Er, no that's why I brought up the "per capita bullshit". I know it's difficult but try thinking about that for a while.
The "wealth transfer" comments are predictable but equally easy to answer. The carbon taxes are going to be collected are spent provincially - no transfer to India or China.

Seems like a good place to drop in this quote.

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That pic sums up what's wrong with science today, it's gone from fact finding research, to a religious crusade based on righting all the world's wrongs by using the public's trust.... no wonder there's deniers, science isn't about science anymore, it's an ideology.

[furrowtickler]

That pic sums up what's wrong with science today, it's gone from fact finding research, to a religious crusade based on righting all the world's wrongs by using the public's trust.... no wonder there's deniers, science isn't about science anymore, it's an ideology.

Exactly.... well said

[grassfarmer]

.........As for holidays in my 35 years of farming I might have taken 5 holidays, I was always tied down by my livestock.

The real question is this Grassfarmer, what do you think doubling the price of fuel with tax increases would accomplish?

I'm in the same boat on the holiday thing, but that ultimately is a choice both of us make. Some of the posters here seem to take 5 holidays a year involving air travel and think they should get paid for saving the planet, that's the irony.

Doubling the price of fuel would make people think and that's what's needed. I'm used to fuel prices being double what they are here and as a result in Europe you don't get secretaries commuting to work in 6 litre trucks. Yeah, we have winter here and bad road conditions but for the times you don't people need to think fuel efficiency. Cutting usage cuts emissions but even if it didn't, and if climate change wasn't an issue we simply cannot continue to burn our way through the worlds finite resources at the rate we are.

[Guest]

I'm in the same boat on the holiday thing, but that ultimately is a choice both of us make. Some of the posters here seem to take 5 holidays a year involving air travel and think they should get paid for saving the planet, that's the irony.

Doubling the price of fuel would make people think and that's what's needed. I'm used to fuel prices being double what they are here and as a result in Europe you don't get secretaries commuting to work in 6 litre trucks. Yeah, we have winter here and bad road conditions but for the times you don't people need to think fuel efficiency. Cutting usage cuts emissions but even if it didn't, and if climate change wasn't an issue we simply cannot continue to burn our way through the worlds finite resources at the rate we are.

Bullshit , what about air travel ? People in europe fly all over for pennies on the dollar of what it costs here ? Fuel costs not helping that ?