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[furrowtickler]

wake up , the top environmental problem is too many people and no one is working on that ? India ? China ? real pollution?

🎯 and the massive amount of environmentaly destroying plastic goods they produce .
Carbon tax revenues are to come from the “wealthy” to be allocated provincialy .
Hmmmm , my gues it disappears into provincial and federal general coffers kinda like crop insurance premiums??? A subsidy from us farmers to the general public . Klause pointed out how much was missing from crop insurance, there was an article about it but it faded away into the sunset.
The tax revenue will go to pet projects, and never be addressed to anything to help climate change , simply because it can’t

[Hamloc]

[QUOTE=grassfarmer;386807]Because reducing emissions for wealthy, high emitting people isn't much of a hardship. In the third world it could mean the difference between eating or not, life or death. For all the bitching on here about a carbon tax, if fuel prices were to double nobody would go hungry - doubtful if it would even lead to a reduction in the multiple holiday a year lifestyle enjoyed by many.

Grassfarmer, most of the time you are undoubtedly just stirring the pot but your apparent belief that if fuel prices doubled it would have little affect on Canadian's lifestyle, I would have to disagree. Everything would go up in price except of course what we get for grain or beef because all the extra freight and associated costs would be passed down the line to us. As for holidays in my 35 years of farming I might have taken 5 holidays, I was always tied down by my livestock.

The real question is this Grassfarmer, what do you think doubling the price of fuel with tax increases would accomplish?

[macdon02]

Er, no that's why I brought up the "per capita bullshit". I know it's difficult but try thinking about that for a while.
The "wealth transfer" comments are predictable but equally easy to answer. The carbon taxes are going to be collected are spent provincially - no transfer to India or China.

Seems like a good place to drop in this quote.

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That pic sums up what's wrong with science today, it's gone from fact finding research, to a religious crusade based on righting all the world's wrongs by using the public's trust.... no wonder there's deniers, science isn't about science anymore, it's an ideology.

[furrowtickler]

That pic sums up what's wrong with science today, it's gone from fact finding research, to a religious crusade based on righting all the world's wrongs by using the public's trust.... no wonder there's deniers, science isn't about science anymore, it's an ideology.

Exactly.... well said

[grassfarmer]

.........As for holidays in my 35 years of farming I might have taken 5 holidays, I was always tied down by my livestock.

The real question is this Grassfarmer, what do you think doubling the price of fuel with tax increases would accomplish?

I'm in the same boat on the holiday thing, but that ultimately is a choice both of us make. Some of the posters here seem to take 5 holidays a year involving air travel and think they should get paid for saving the planet, that's the irony.

Doubling the price of fuel would make people think and that's what's needed. I'm used to fuel prices being double what they are here and as a result in Europe you don't get secretaries commuting to work in 6 litre trucks. Yeah, we have winter here and bad road conditions but for the times you don't people need to think fuel efficiency. Cutting usage cuts emissions but even if it didn't, and if climate change wasn't an issue we simply cannot continue to burn our way through the worlds finite resources at the rate we are.

[Guest]

I'm in the same boat on the holiday thing, but that ultimately is a choice both of us make. Some of the posters here seem to take 5 holidays a year involving air travel and think they should get paid for saving the planet, that's the irony.

Doubling the price of fuel would make people think and that's what's needed. I'm used to fuel prices being double what they are here and as a result in Europe you don't get secretaries commuting to work in 6 litre trucks. Yeah, we have winter here and bad road conditions but for the times you don't people need to think fuel efficiency. Cutting usage cuts emissions but even if it didn't, and if climate change wasn't an issue we simply cannot continue to burn our way through the worlds finite resources at the rate we are.

Bullshit , what about air travel ? People in europe fly all over for pennies on the dollar of what it costs here ? Fuel costs not helping that ?

[AlbertaFarmer5]

I'm in the same boat on the holiday thing, but that ultimately is a choice both of us make. Some of the posters here seem to take 5 holidays a year involving air travel and think they should get paid for saving the planet, that's the irony.

Doubling the price of fuel would make people think and that's what's needed. I'm used to fuel prices being double what they are here and as a result in Europe you don't get secretaries commuting to work in 6 litre trucks. Yeah, we have winter here and bad road conditions but for the times you don't people need to think fuel efficiency. Cutting usage cuts emissions but even if it didn't, and if climate change wasn't an issue we simply cannot continue to burn our way through the worlds finite resources at the rate we are.

We are on the same page here. I've posted my logic before, so won't repeat it ad nauseum, but we could make a very convincing case for cutting energy/fuel consumption, that doesn't involve CO2, and I would be all for it.