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    #25
    Quoted From the Canadian Encyclopedia:
    Québec, for its part, has secured sole responsibility in three areas related to permanent immigration: 1) the desired number of immigrants; 2) the selection of candidates who wish to settle in Québec (except for applicants for refugee status and members of the Family Class); 3) administration, monitoring and duration of sponsorship undertakings. Also, with regard to temporary immigration, Québec’s consent is required to: 1) issue a work permit; 2) issue a study permit and admit foreign students (except those participating in a Canadian program of assistance to developing countries); 3) authorize foreigners to come to Québec for medical treatment.

    Did Bernier touch a cord with Liberals in Quebec, it is possible that the coeur of Berniers concerns echoed those of Les Quebecois: the concern over the open border.

    A new party is a tremendous amount of long, painstaking toil an uphill battle at best and in the face of Canadian mainstream media which will numb every story that benefits change.

    What Canada needs is balanced national news media, more than a new party.
    Last edited by westernvicki; Aug 23, 2018, 21:02.

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      #26
      What we have is a Conservative who wants to prove a point and kill the chances of Andrew getting into office.

      Lets split the vote and let Shit for brains win.

      This is the playbook the NDP used in Sask and won for years.

      The liberals and Cons fought and the 33% who always vote for a socialist won. Year in year out.

      Now we have a guy who on the first ballot I voted for. Sorry, I screw up also. Its a party and he had some ideas but he lost and you rally around the new leader. If you were popular you would have won.

      He didn't so sit back wait or get out of politics.

      No, this dip shit creates a new party.

      Great just what we need to split the votes and let that useless fool win.

      Pissed in Sask.

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        #27
        Bernier is a reflection of a lot of canadians ....Scheer wants to put it under the rug....Scheer, if he was a better politician would have started asking the questions Bernier was in a better way....

        He should have been able to calm Bernier and get the message out that Bernier is getting at..

        Old stock Canadians are not stupid ...they had a hand in building the Canadian identity ...one they don't take for granted....

        Nor should we....

        Trudeau is ruining the Canadian identity...

        Bernier actually seems more Canadian than most realize...

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          #28
          This is a Quebec schism, boiled from discontent in his wake, and indeed it will take votes there from Liberals too, my bet.

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            #29
            Whether Liberal or Conservative most governments govern from pretty much middle of the road on most issues. Trudeau moved slightly to the left to capture the NDP vote especially on social issues.

            Scheer is trying to stay close to the centre as possible.

            You can't win with a hard right or hard left approach in Canada. If you put the Liberal, NDP and Greens together, a large majority of people in Canada are centre left. If you win with 40% you still have to pay attention to the other 60%.

            There is a lot of discontent amongst a small group of core Conservatives many of which can't get over their obsessive hate of Trudeau. Scheer will only move the needle slightly to the right.

            Bernier will go no where with a new party. He can't even win Quebec with his policy on supply management. Dairy farmers will kick his ass so hard in Quebec he won't know what hit him.

            He is a naive libertarian idealist and a dud.

            If he is truly a libertarian and supportive of farmers he would support joint running rights to make the western railways truly competitive to break up their duopoly.
            Last edited by chuckChuck; Aug 25, 2018, 08:04.

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              #30
              Originally posted by chuckChuck View Post
              Whether Liberal or Conservative most governments govern from pretty much middle of the road on most issues. Trudeau moved slightly to the left to capture the NDP vote especially on social issues.

              Scheer is trying to stay close to the centre as possible.

              You can't win with a hard right or hard left approach in Canada. If you put the Liberal, NDP and Greens together, a large majority of people in Canada are centre left. If you win with 40% you still have to pay attention to the other 60%.

              There is a lot of discontent amongst a small group of core Conservatives many of which can't get over their obsessive hate of Trudeau. Scheer will only move the needle slightly to the right.

              Bernier will go no where with a new party. He can't even win Quebec with his policy on supply management. Dairy farmers will kick his ass so hard in Quebec he won't know what hit him.

              He is a naive libertarian idealist and a dud.
              Trudeau moved “slightly” left ???? Bahahaha your kidding right ?

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                #31
                So what would Scheer do that woould be radically different?

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                  #32
                  Originally posted by furrowtickler View Post
                  Trudeau moved “slightly” left ???? Bahahaha your kidding right ?
                  You noticed that lil joke, too?

                  Liberals are funniest when they try to be serious.

                  That's what makes Climate Barbie's twiiter feed so funny - you can't tell if she's serious or just kidding around.

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                    #33
                    No one thought Trump had a chance but the electorate proved differently.

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                      #34
                      Originally posted by sumdumguy View Post
                      No one thought Trump had a chance but the electorate proved differently.
                      Putin fixed that up, people went back to
                      Change their balats And. They were already changed for them. Hahahaha

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                        #35
                        Michael Lind has observed that of the 195 countries in the world today, none have fully actualized a libertarian society:
                        "If libertarianism was a good idea, wouldn't at least one country have tried it? Wouldn't there be at least one country, out of nearly two hundred, with minimal government, free trade, open borders, decriminalized drugs, no welfare state and no public education system?"

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                          #36
                          Originally posted by chuckChuck View Post
                          Michael Lind has observed that of the 195 countries in the world today, none have fully actualized a libertarian society:
                          "If libertarianism was a good idea, wouldn't at least one country have tried it? Wouldn't there be at least one country, out of nearly two hundred, with minimal government, free trade, open borders, decriminalized drugs, no welfare state and no public education system?"
                          Watch Sweden.... let’s see what happens there in the next few years lol

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