U.S. - Mexico Trade Deal Will Never Happen

[the big wheel]

The reason for the Friday deadline is that 90 days are needed for signing. In 90 days Mexico gov changes and don't want this deal.

Meaning don t sign and we then have Mexico more favourable to our positions.

[jazz]

So you dont sign the deal and put the other $400B worth of trade in jeopardy because of some dairy farmers. Nice principles...

You make a bloody deal in the interests of all canadians. You sign the bloody thing because you virtue signaled your opportunity away a year ago.

We sell $100B of oil to the americans every yr. They have their own supply you know. They could turn it on anytime.

[beaverdam]

In 91 days, the new leftist gov't in Mexico will say, "Hey se~nor, we can make those cars waaaay cheaper in Mexico then they can in southern Ontario,,,,,how about moving those plants down here, we have lots of workers !!!"

If that ever happen, Ontario would forever be a have not province, and Liberals will never be elected federally again.

Canada will sign a deal before the weekend is over, they'll compromise on dairy, but they won't end SM. Dairy will get a cheque from the taxpayers of Canada !(to add to their millions in quota assets)

[the big wheel]

So you dont sign the deal and put the other $400B worth of trade in jeopardy because of some dairy farmers. Nice principles...

You make a bloody deal in the interests of all canadians. You sign the bloody thing because you virtue signaled your opportunity away a year ago.

We sell $100B of oil to the americans every yr. They have their own supply you know. They could turn it on anytime.

Oh I see this is a i m worried about oil thing? Hahahaha oil definitely can take care of itself. They have limited supply we have much more they want to fk that up not a chance scare tactics aren't any way to go into any deal. Real adults would have had all 3 at the table but the 2 year old someone must have told him about he 90 days so he s shitting his pants bluffing again.

This is about getting as good as we ve had or better not about panicking because The 2 year old is going to be mad because he s going to be sent to the corner. Hahahaha

The world does not end without this deal. No way in hell may states will agree in fact many states will go nuts if we aren't in the deal.

I don't care one way or the other about supply management except to say they subsidize so grossly more that it's not even an issue. But I will say their system has many problems with waste in the milk system. And why do we continually want to rely on another country for our food supply anyways?

[SASKFARMER3]

Canada under captain Canada will surrender to the Americans on NAFTA tomorrow morning.

[bucket]

Bad news comes on Fridays. ....

[the big wheel]

Black Friday sales are great!! Hahaha

In the end since we aren't there negotiating maybe the deal will be good maybe not we shouldn't be signing just to appease a dim wits deAdline. We have way more clout by not signing.

[furrowtickler]

This is interesting, but not surprising at all ..

[sumdumguy]

Canada under captain Canada will surrender to the Americans on NAFTA tomorrow morning.

Oh Canada-even if we stand on guard with our purple leotards on riding our purple milk cows, we can’t save you now.

[WiltonRanch]

This is interesting, but not surprising at all ..

Pisses me off cause most First Nations along the route are for the pipeline. Environmentalists got to a few and fed enough fear. The rest see the benefits outweigh the risks. It’s a slap in the face to First Nations to hitch their horse to this. Lot of native guys I know who work are in the patch and are pissed off about this. Time to identify the true ****ers behind all this. The saudis, Russians and US oil buyers. Americans have a lot of oil but we have a lot more. American oil won’t last forever without Canada pumping cheap oil down there. Russians oil is costly enough to produce and ship too and another player like Canada is direct competition for the type of oil produced. All oil isn’t the same. NAFTA or not USA needs our oil. Maybe not as much as it appears now but in the long term for sure. Aside from the dingbats in power and environmentalists with a credent ear from the afformentioned fools, we are a stable close ally to America. Trump will be long gone in 6 years, hopefully Trudeau sooner and a new set of problems to face. But they will still need our oil. There was a reason for a ban on American oil exports.

[the big wheel]

Pisses me off cause most First Nations along the route are for the pipeline. Environmentalists got to a few and fed enough fear. The rest see the benefits outweigh the risks. It’s a slap in the face to First Nations to hitch their horse to this. Lot of native guys I know who work are in the patch and are pissed off about this. Time to identify the true ****ers behind all this. The saudis, Russians and US oil buyers. Americans have a lot of oil but we have a lot more. American oil won’t last forever without Canada pumping cheap oil down there. Russians oil is costly enough to produce and ship too and another player like Canada is direct competition for the type of oil produced. All oil isn’t the same. NAFTA or not USA needs our oil. Maybe not as much as it appears now but in the long term for sure. Aside from the dingbats in power and environmentalists with a credent ear from the afformentioned fools, we are a stable close ally to America. Trump will be long gone in 6 years, hopefully Trudeau sooner and a new set of problems to face. But they will still need our oil. There was a reason for a ban on American oil exports.

Absolutely correct!!! We should be threatening to shut off the oil taps. But all our bought off politicians would sacrifice any other industry including farming to kiss American oil ass which is why all other sectors pay the price. That amount of oil we send there is crucial. They are also ***** up their foreign oil supplies with the big bullshitter 2 year old that no one wants to deal with.

Correct on the First Nations also. For those apposing stop sending the cheques. Harper was correct in saying there needed to be accountability for all the money also.

Looks like maybe they should have hired a former politician and paid him millions to advise law firms handling this how to get this done???? Hahahahaha

[Oliver88]

This is interesting, but not surprising at all ..

Notley carbon tax sure looks silly now.....🙈

Oddly enough her carbon tax idea will ensure the NDP will never be re-elected in Alberta.

[WiltonRanch]

Wonder how much money is in refining? Big cost to add capacity but wonder if in the hypothetical more bitumen was refined here. Less volume but higher value export. More jobs and wealth created here. I’m thinking out loud but it’s not any different than our grains. Not saying all of it goes that way but a car load of asphalt diesel or gasoline shipped has created a lot more wealth here than raw oil. Even if these pipelines get built are we as good off? It’s been too “simple” and I mean that with veiled sarcasm, to ship south raw oil.

[dmlfarmer]

Here is one: Its primary focus is the deficit but it does mention that 9 months into fiscal 2018 revenue is up 1.3% from the corresponding period in fiscal 2017 which I do realize starts Oct 1.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-07-12/u-s-budget-deficit-jumps-in-first-nine-months-of-fiscal-year

Breaking news today: Trump announced he is cancelling the pay raises for all federal employees because of the soaring deficit. http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-cancels-pay-raise-federal-workers-were-due-in-january/ar-BBMFjf2?ocid=sf http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-cancels-pay-raise-federal-workers-were-due-in-january/ar-BBMFjf2?ocid=sf

You probably will not read the link so let me point out you some highlights:
"The president last year signed a package of tax cuts that is forecast to expand the deficit by about $1.5 trillion over 10 years."

"The administration's July budget update projected a deficit of $890 billion for the fiscal year that ends Sept. 30, up from the February estimate of $873 billion. The $890 billion deficit projection represents a 34 percent increase from the $666 billion deficit the government recorded in 2017."

"For 2019, the administration is projecting the deficit will once again top $1 trillion and stay at that level for the next three years."

"The only other period when the federal government ran deficits above $1 trillion was the four years from 2009 through 2012, when the government used tax cuts and increased spending to combat the 2008 fiscal crisis and the worst economic downturn since the 1930s."

"His tax bill exploded the deficit, and now he is trying to balance the budget on the backs of federal workers," Connolly said"

A trillion dollar deficit yet conservatives still believe in Trump economics! Ha Ha

[GDR]

Wonder how much money is in refining? Big cost to add capacity but wonder if in the hypothetical more bitumen was refined here. Less volume but higher value export. More jobs and wealth created here. I’m thinking out loud but it’s not any different than our grains. Not saying all of it goes that way but a car load of asphalt diesel or gasoline shipped has created a lot more wealth here than raw oil. Even if these pipelines get built are we as good off? It’s been too “simple” and I mean that with veiled sarcasm, to ship south raw oil.

Was talking to a bulk dealer earlier this summer. He had a name for it that I can't remember rack price maybe? Anyhow it is an indication of the refinery profit, he said 20yrs ago it was 3 or 4 cents a litre and they were making money hand over fist but said it is now around 50cents a litre. Gotta be money makers but I guess you need the initial investment.