U.S. - Mexico Trade Deal Will Never Happen

[the big wheel]

Maybe we should all take up basket weaving and hand painting for a new occupation. Yup and set up wind mills and solar panels to save one fukin polar bear 👎

Agreed nothing happenning but tell me what has the sask party done?
Absolutely nothing for agriculture. Why aren't they on a plane over dealing with the pulse issue what about the drought?
What about floods? They haven't done a *** thing either. On the other side of the coin some on here praise trump on the trade Issue
That fkr has been making all allies weaker whete do we sell our grain to?

He's just as responsible for our markets As anyone.

[macdon02]

Hey Tom! Looks like Canadian seed industry is in the sights.

The bilateral agreement the U.S. and Mexico announced on Monday - before Canada rejoined NAFTA talks - called for “non-discriminatory treatment in grading of agricultural products,” according to the Office of the U.S. Trade Representative.

Harmonization on wheat varieties?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trade-canada-wheat/u-s-wheat-growers-have-trumps-ear-on-old-canada-trade-gripe-idUSKCN1LG0G0

[agstar77]

Yeah ,Real negotiation Trump the Bully says no concessions. Call his bluff , walk out if the don't want to negotiate in good faith.

[dmlfarmer]

And to those of you who think the only question we should be asking when Trump tells us to jump is: How High?

Toronto star claims Trump admits he is not willing to compromise at all in NAFTA negotiations

https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2018/08/31/bombshell-leak-to-toronto-star-upends-nafta-talks-in-secret-so-insulting-remarks-trump-says-he-isnt-compromising-at-all-with-canada.html https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2018/08/31/bombshell-leak-to-toronto-star-upends-nafta-talks-in-secret-so-insulting-remarks-trump-says-he-isnt-compromising-at-all-with-canada.html

[macdon02]

Yeah ,Real negotiation Trump the Bully says no concessions. Call his bluff , walk out if the don't want to negotiate in good faith.

I found it odd that Trump wanted higher Mexican wages to get them to par with US workers. A $12/hr raise is like 3x what they were currently getting. So there must be some appeasing of the left going on. The problem with holding out and hopefully getting dems control the house is that would be relying on the same polling firms that said the morning of the election that Hillary had 94% of the vote. What happens is Trump locks up Senate and house for next 2 years? Maybe 6 years? We'd be more ****erd

[the big wheel]

I found it odd that Trump wanted higher Mexican wages to get them to par with US workers. A $12/hr raise is like 3x what they were currently getting. So there must be some appeasing of the left going on. The problem with holding out and hopefully getting dems control the house is that would be relying on the same polling firms that said the morning of the election that Hillary had 94% of the vote. What happens is Trump locks up Senate and house for next 2 years? Maybe 6 years? We'd be more ****erd

The only thing going to be locked up is trump himself. Unless he gives himself s pardon. Hahaha

I ll bet money trump offered
Mexico money through the back
Door and they ll announce later
That they ll pay for the wall with the American money. Hahahaha
The wall that's why he didn't want Canada to hear.

But I m so glad our economy didn't crash since there was no deal today. Anxious to see if the sun rises tomorrow morning. Hahahaha

[Oliver88]

Trump doesn’t really want milk free tariffs, (but he will take them). The real end game is the auto industry and the jobs. The jobs and plants went to Canada and Mexico with cheaper labour and Nafta. The market is the usa, ironic that the consumers will pay more (for everything) - inflation.

There will be E15 soon, that will be good for the farm vote, and corn markets (next year) expect higher fert prices.

Trump will have Canada’s supply system disassembled over time. He has leverage over Canada, as the USA is the market for everything. Freight off shore,ocean is too expensive to other continents.

Solid points Rareearth.

I agree with you that the main objective is to bring auto jobs back to Michigan and Ohio.
He did also win Winconsin in the last election which is likely asking him to make some changes regarding dairy....maybe Paul Ryan has pressed the issue too.

Interesting to see if E15 goes through.

[macdon02]

The only thing going to be locked up is trump himself. Unless he gives himself s pardon. Hahaha

I ll bet money trump offered
Mexico money through the back
Door and they ll announce later
That they ll pay for the wall with the American money. Hahahaha
The wall that's why he didn't want Canada to hear.

But I m so glad our economy didn't crash since there was no deal today. Anxious to see if the sun rises tomorrow morning. Hahahaha

It will. If you look at everything Canada wanted to negotiate for initially, social issues, they provide absolutely ZERO VALUE. There's no wealth created for anyone from this. It's only govt regulation that'll further impede industry. This is a trade agreement we are trying to negotiate and are trying to impose human rights on another country. Why are we doing this with the US and Mexico? I've seen the third bathroom in a restaurant in Florida and had to explain it to an 8 yr old. But like Saudi Arabia we are sticking our nose where it doesn't belong and can't respect other cultures. I have zero desire to live in S.A., I strongly suggest anyone living there that doesn't like it, to complete the proper paperwork and apply to immigrate. There's borders for a reason, it lets you live your life without foreign intervention. Value is created by WORK, not sitting on a couch playing video games and crying to mom about online bullies. Whether it's, skin color, sexuality, gender(or lack of), or political view, it creates nothing. Trade is the transfer of currency for goods. It brings foreign currency in so we can pay for social programs. Why are we imposing social values on foreign countries. If we get what our negotiators originally wanted, Canada will be no further ahead. They put zero thought into what would be beneficial to Canadians. Zero! Our politicians think because Canadians elected them, they have authority outside our borders. They are delusional and drunk on power. Canada has no offense in this situation and are totally on the defensive. We can only lose.

[macdon02]

You guys playing the bully card.... hand over your man cards. They been revoked! Lol your wives taught you that one.

[furrowtickler]

It will. If you look at everything Canada wanted to negotiate for initially, social issues, they provide absolutely ZERO VALUE. There's no wealth created for anyone from this. It's only govt regulation that'll further impede industry. This is a trade agreement we are trying to negotiate and are trying to impose human rights on another country. Why are we doing this with the US and Mexico? I've seen the third bathroom in a restaurant in Florida and had to explain it to an 8 yr old. But like Saudi Arabia we are sticking our nose where it doesn't belong and can't respect other cultures. I have zero desire to live in S.A., I strongly suggest anyone living there that doesn't like it, to complete the proper paperwork and apply to immigrate. There's borders for a reason, it lets you live your life without foreign intervention. Value is created by WORK, not sitting on a couch playing video games and crying to mom about online bullies. Whether it's, skin color, sexuality, gender(or lack of), or political view, it creates nothing. Trade is the transfer of currency for goods. It brings foreign currency in so we can pay for social programs. Why are we imposing social values on foreign countries. If we get what our negotiators originally wanted, Canada will be no further ahead. They put zero thought into what would be beneficial to Canadians. Zero! Our politicians think because Canadians elected them, they have authority outside our borders. They are delusional and drunk on power. Canada has no offense in this situation and are totally on the defensive. We can only lose.

Very very accurate, and well said 👍👍

[grassfarmer]

Time for a reality check.

Human rights issues, interests of minorities and Canadian values have long been part of trade agreements that Canada has negotiated.
Here is the previous administration highlighting just that around their trade agreement discussions with China. http://nationalpost.com/news/politics/harper-signs-2-5b-deals-with-china-and-raises-human-rights-issues-signalling-new-era-of-cooperation http://https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/harper-signs-2-5b-deals-with-china-and-raises-human-rights-issues-signalling-new-era-of-cooperation

Furthermore most of you imply that Canada went into the NAFTA negotiations with these human rights issues instead of trade issues - did it not occur to you that they were simply added onto the trade requests Canada was making?

Truth is NAFTA was working just fine, the Americans were not disadvantaged under it as they've always had the biggest hand at this negotiating table because of their economic size. Trump comes along and starts yapping how everybody has treated the US unfairly. Most of the posters on here have so much hate on Trudeau and his Government that they side with a foreign country that is trying to do down Canada which will ultimately hurt our country and Canadian citizens. Time for some of you to reflect on whether you want to see Canada do well or poorly. Siding with Trump will hurt Canada and it won't get rid of Trudeau. You all get the chance to vote him out at the next election.

[SASKFARMER3]

I am not siding with Trump, I am just telling you our fool is just that a fool and his court. Who goes to a trade deal and uses as there opening statement Native rights, Environment and Gender Equality. The USA sent negotiators and we sent three fools.

Come on its nice to sing our of the Liberal book every day but admit it Trudeau is a Fool.

[the big wheel]

Very very accurate, and well said 👍👍

What a beautiful fall morning and with the sun also. Hahahahaha

No our politicians don't have a right to tell other countries how to live. Especially in the case of all these third world areas we send billions to while our homeless, seniors on welfare etc exist.

I also stand corrected I wasn't aware our trade policy forced Florida to have a third bathroom. Was that before the current government or just recent. I ve never see a third bathroom in my visits there?

Where is the list of things that say what we are asking and what they are asking specifically. Are we asking trump to put a third gold shitter in the tower?

[SASKFARMER3]

Florida does have the best rules when it comes to retiring if your American no Income tax on all Investments.

So sell a farm in ND and retire in Florida all investment money made from the farm sale isn't taxable.

No third bathrooms that I have seen.

Ah, America and some wonder why Canada is becoming a shit hole.

[the big wheel]

What a beautiful fall morning and with the sun also. Hahahahaha

No our politicians don't have a right to tell other countries how to live. Especially in the case of all these third world areas we send billions to while our homeless, seniors on welfare etc exist.

I also stand corrected I wasn't aware our trade policy forced Florida to have a third bathroom. Was that before the current government or just recent. I ve never see a third bathroom in my visits there?

Where is the list of things that say what we are asking and what they are asking specifically. Are we asking trump to put a third gold shitter in the tower?

Because right now his financial situation he ll have to ask Vladimir for a bigger loan to get it installed no wonder he said he isn't willing to negotiate just dictate.

He isn't the government of Canada either if you want him to dictate how we live which is what he's trying to do just sign what ever he says.

The 12 billion to ag there is just the beginning that policy will destroy us so my question is are we asking for that to be taken off?