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    From rochester hatcheries website

    Important Message For Our Alberta Customer
    The Alberta Turkey Producers has included in its regulation review a change to reduce the exemption number allotted for non-quota producers from 300 to 100 birds. The Alberta Turkey Board has not only failed to consult the affected stakeholders, other than the quota holders, but is not considering the adverse effect this would have on the exempt small flock producers and on consumers.

    Many small flock producers support a strong supply managed turkey sector; the current 300 bird exemption also helps small flock producers feed their family and make a living. Production costs of their free-range turkeys are higher than more intensively raised birds due to a much longer rearing period, higher feed costs and lack of access to affordable processing. With net profit margins between 10% and 15% any reduction in their ability to raise an adequate number of birds would have a devastating effect on small producers.

    There is no evidence that small flock producers pose any risk to raising healthy birds in Alberta. In fact, some evidence shows turkeys raised in small flocks are safer and healthier than those raised intensively in large numbers. Therefore, I strongly defend the practices of small flock producers and their right to continue raising up to 300 turkeys without quota.

    The consumers that buy these free-range turkeys are showing there is real demand for an alternately raised turkey. Any reduction in the exemption as a result of this proposed change would leave consumers with less choice.

    The Alberta Government's Bill 7 (Supporting Alberta's Local Food Sector Act) states that it wants to "encourage the development and success of a local food sector throughout the Province...". Clearly reducing the number of turkeys a small producer/direct marketer can raise, runs counter to that goal. Allowing small producers to raise and market up to 300 birds a year encourages local food production, supports diversity on family farms and offers Alberta consumers increased product choices.

    We strongly oppose any move to reduce the number of turkeys non-quota producers can raise in Alberta.

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      Originally posted by Klause View Post
      I think youre confusing chicken production and turkey production with processing.


      Water is injected at the processor not the farm.


      You can produce and sell up to 999 broiler chickens without a quota, or 299 laying hens


      For a farmagate direct sales of meat and eggs thats a pretty comfortable size anyway.



      Sounds fair to me.


      I don't get what the problem is.
      Hey klause hope all is well with y’all! I guess I thought I was being clear on this. I want the opportunity to go all out and raise a few thousand chickens, and a thousand turkeys for example. That is the problem. I cannot. Again I have contacts begging for more of my birds, but I can not fill their needs. It is an opportunity missed. They know how our birds are raised, how they taste, and they want more. I am not allowed to fill their needs. I see that as a big problem. Run of the mill barn birds do not come close to filling what the specs are that they have, both from a raising style, and from a quality perspective.

      Regarding eggs, we have looked into quota, applied for it, and failed. This tells me they do not want more producers, but want to take great care of those 11 turkey guys and 133 chicken farmers on the inside!

      Regarding milk, I find it mildly amusing that the person who was adamant we were not allowed to produce goat milk without a quota, as grassy pointed out, is a falsehood, is a dairy farmer. Protective enough to fight outside their jurisdiction... 😆

      Butchering chickens, gotta get back at it on this wet day.
      Last edited by Sheepwheat; Sep 8, 2018, 15:25.

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        Waiting on the water to warm back up for batch two. Speaking of water, Regarding the watery comment. After one has had real meat, they will know what I mean by watery. Not literally watery. Hard to explain. Flavourless, as in watered down. Store meat is dull and boring for the chefs that want my products. I know our family won’t touch store meat anymore, after raising most meats available and realizing how sad store meat has become. Most different is pork, chicken and turkey a close second. It is not even comparable.

        Again, I am not allowed to fill a market in need. It is not like I am even going head to head. It is a different product altogether!

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          What percentage of chicken and turkey quota is controlled by the Hutts?

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            That's old news Ronski - that battle was fought and won back in the spring. The Turkey Producers backed down on their effort to cut the exemption. Took some effort from Direct Marketers and the NFU to fight it off.

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              Sheep
              Your not coming up with anything new, I have family in Sk who have sold chickens by the hundreds along with eggs for many many years and are still going hard. They never complain about allowable number or SM. They have made wads of cash!

              In your mind SM farmers who have worked hard and invested millions of dollars into their operations to build their business's should increase non quota numbers so that non SM farmer can directly compete against them? I guess you want them to end up like all other ag commodities who are struggling while processors and retailer make all the money .

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                I think there are few people willing to do what sheapwheat is doing.
                I don't see the treat to SM at all. He will have a different product, for a different customer at a different price. The run of the mill consumer will continue to get their food from factory farms through grocery stores and restaurants, as will the myriad of food processors.

                Go for it freewheat, if the very limited supply of higher priced, more traditionally raised superior product is a threat to cheap factory farm meat....then something is definitely wrong with "their" production model.

                Just stay under the radar.

                "Watery" AND SLIMEY, is a very accurate description of "water chilled" frozen chicken breasts. Fresh, air chilled, are better but still not the same as farm raised.

                How old is the chicken in the Colonel's bucket...measured in "days", barely worth stating in "weeks". Which do you think will be more flavorful....farm raised or factory raised?

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                  Originally posted by Sheepwheat View Post
                  Hey klause hope all is well with y’all! I guess I thought I was being clear on this. I want the opportunity to go all out and raise a few thousand chickens, and a thousand turkeys for example. That is the problem. I cannot. Again I have contacts begging for more of my birds, but I can not fill their needs. It is an opportunity missed. They know how our birds are raised, how they taste, and they want more. I am not allowed to fill their needs. I see that as a big problem. Run of the mill barn birds do not come close to filling what the specs are that they have, both from a raising style, and from a quality perspective.

                  Regarding eggs, we have looked into quota, applied for it, and failed. This tells me they do not want more producers, but want to take great care of those 11 turkey guys and 133 chicken farmers on the inside!

                  Regarding milk, I find it mildly amusing that the person who was adamant we were not allowed to produce goat milk without a quota, as grassy pointed out, is a falsehood, is a dairy farmer. Protective enough to fight outside their jurisdiction... 😆

                  Butchering chickens, gotta get back at it on this wet day.
                  Quota is specifically distributed to new producers. 3 per year.


                  If you didn't get it your application or business plan wasn't sound enough.


                  I know two grain farming families that got I to it recently with no inside support or contacts.


                  I hunt and have always raised our own meat. I refuse to have birds because I can't stand their smell but I know what old school chicken tastes like.


                  Also the irony on here complaining about factory farmed birds and pigs while spraying everything with glyphosate and fungicides and (over) applying synthetic fertilizers...


                  Hmmm

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                    Originally posted by Klause View Post
                    Also the irony on here complaining about factory farmed birds and pigs while spraying everything with glyphosate and fungicides and (over) applying synthetic fertilizers...


                    Hmmm

                    The same theory applies. People like Hobby who want to do it a different way are doing it to serve the market and people looking for that difference. The rest are feeding the masses. There is no quota for farming organic that I'm aware of...just rules. Get certified, follow the rules and get at it.

                    If I want to buy farm raised chicken, I will.

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                      Originally posted by farmaholic View Post
                      The same theory applies. People like Hobby who want to do it a different way are doing it to serve the market and people looking for that difference. The rest are feeding the masses. There is no quota for farming organic that I'm aware of...just rules. Get certified, follow the rules and get at it.

                      If I want to buy farm raised chicken, I will.

                      And that's your choice to make... And the system is setup to allow it.


                      Ontario has 1300 chicken producers... And way more population.... Sask has about the same people as the city of Ontario, is landlocked and far away from large population centers.


                      How the heck do you want a huge chicken industry to survive here? Makes no sense. Just look at unregulated beef... Farmers are getting out every day, the herd keeps shrinking and the price of a steak in Sobeys in Humboldt is higher than in Munich, Germany

                      The rest of the world subsidizes agriculture - that will never change because a) governments need to feed their people (China, Europe, Japan, India) or see agrivulture as a foreign exchange and economic engine (Russia, Argentina, USA).. we can pout and complain and beat our chests forever but that's how it is and no country will listen to us and change their ways because we asked for it nicely.


                      The quota system guarantees cost plus for the farmer. Ie:
                      https://www.ontariochicken.ca/Farmer-Member-Resources/Live-Price.aspx https://www.ontariochicken.ca/Farmer-Member-Resources/Live-Price.aspx


                      The price of the quota is high because the open market has valued the right to a consistent "cost plus profit" pricing model at that level.

                      How is it any different than trying to get into grain farming and having to buy overinflated land that will never return a profit over it's cost????


                      Why are all you guys grinning over half a million to 750,000 quarter sections and then bitching about "cost of entry" into a supply managed sector?


                      It's nothing more than envy.

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