So if supply management issue will save Canada then why not?

[jazz]

Wouldn't gain any concessions from the Americans in any case so why throw it away?

Because its a socialist marxist construct that has no place in a capitalist system. And its stupid to let a tiny fraction of the electorate wag the dog.

[sawfly1]

For the most part I am guessing it probably would be the end.
The American guys on other sites say there is so much over capacity in the business and the huge , business dairy
Operations thousands of cows. Ran with cheap migrant labour
ARE running the small ones out.

Even with the US government dumping 1.8 billion $ a year
Into the industry.
They are still going broke.
They say Wisconsin alone could supply Canada's milk.

Not really about helping US farmers.
More about the huge dairy corporations taking over the business here.

It is a social program here. Keeps. Smaller operations
A float. People on farms making money.

Once it is gone, what is there to stop the big corps from
Dumping milk here .
I am sure they will not last long.
And it will be the same model here as the states.

IF that is what you want. That is what you will get.

[jazz]

It is a social program here. Keeps. Smaller operations
A float. People on farms making money.

well sawfly, thats nice and all. But nobody saved my home town in the 80s when world wheat oversupply cut prices by 2/3rd so forgive me if I find it hard to shed a tear. Thats life. We were told to either get bigger, lower costs or get out. And all 3 happened.

The cost profile for dairy production cant differ much between canada and the US except for the currency exchange. Maybe overpaying for quota license is the problem. Same as it was here when land prices skyrocketed in the 80s. Govt let that correct on its own.

Only one reason its protected - because Quebec. Thats all you need to know.

[captainDAVE]

We are far better off than before.
I kinda like getting paid in full for the grain I deliver

Except the mission $10 billion+ over the last 6 years

[GDR]

well sawfly, thats nice and all. But nobody saved my home town in the 80s when world wheat oversupply cut prices by 2/3rd so forgive me if I find it hard to shed a tear. Thats life. We were told to either get bigger, lower costs or get out. And all 3 happened.

The cost profile for dairy production cant differ much between canada and the US except for the currency exchange. Maybe overpaying for quota license is the problem. Same as it was here when land prices skyrocketed in the 80s. Govt let that correct on its own.

Only one reason its protected - because Quebec. Thats all you need to know.

Clearly you don't understand the SM system, livestock or economics.

Since you have a selfish tone think about the ramifications to yourself of what you are asking for, here are a couple to think about-

Quota bailout would cost billions of your tax dollars

Billions of dollars in farmers hands that would be taxable if not reinvested in land would skyrocket land prices

Dairy would struggle to compete and expose huge risk and cost to ag programs

Dairy farms are profitable now and are cash cows for government's by paying taxes

Obviously not all dairy would disappear in Canada but there are approx 960,000 dairy cows in Canada if it took 8 or 9 acres per cow to raise I'd guess that's 8000000+ acres that is not growing canola and wheat and it's fertile how is that gonna help grain prices and movement

Who knows on reality of stable milk supply but anyone who thinks it's gonna get cheaper when it's already cheaper than pop or juice or even lots of water is out to lunch

The list goes on and on!

[GDR]

Why not have the conservatives come out and say it should be gone to make a better deal for the rest of Canada?
Severalnon this forum chriticizing liberals for not bending on the issue of supply so why doesn't the conservatives come out and say this. It would then make it a non issue in the next election for either party if both support it or want it gone.

But as it is some of you expect the liberals to sacrifice it which obviously will cost major seats in Ontario yet won't commit the conservatives? This is coming from someone as it stands would vote conservative if election was today.

Politicians look at farmers in general as a bunch of complainers always looking for a handout, and supply management is self sufficient and profitable, the liability is not there, that is why no one wants to touch it!

And there are dairy cows all over the country not just Quebec as some seem to think, it's a population thing, Ontario and Quebec use more milk so there are more dairies in those areas. (Farm numbers are higher because dairies are smaller there than in the west also) In our area dairy farms everywhere.

[the big wheel]

Been struggling with this issue last few days. Points on both sides. But it honestly feels wrong to be cutting down a system in that sector that wouldn't the rest of us farmers strive to achieve?
Wouldn't us grain farmers prefer?

1Guaranteed market for what we produce
2guarantred price
3 know what amount we have to produce
4 we d know what our revenue was going to be always steady

It's somewhat different in grain because we cannot always achieve or control our yields both sometimes being under and then over using the same method because weather determines our fate more than anything.
I get a sense maybe we d like to throw them under the bus because things are so chaotic for us in the grain sector??
We have to fight
Not just the weather but big corporates raising our costs etc etc
No realistic support programs. Losing markets due to politics.
And as far as the Americans their subsidies extend into grains so hugely higher than ours do what legitimate reason do they have to take on supply management?
Have some of us associated supply management with the liberals and because we re upset with the liberals by association want both gone but yet it's a fact the conservatives don't want it gone or won't get rid of it either so how is that right?

Weird to feel guilty about taking negative about another farm sector having some features I sure wouldn't mind having in grain sector.

[grassfarmer]

Nothing to struggle about Big Wheel we have the best dairy system in the world - bar none. The only system that sustains family farms in profitable milk production and supplies milk to the consumer at or below the cost the New Zealand customer pays. NZ - the land of year round grass and cheap milk production costs.
The alternative would be for the consumer to pay twice for the milk - at the store and through their taxes first for compensation to dairy farmers and later for bail outs when the industry fails. You only have to look at the American dairy sector to see what failure looks like.
Absolutely no need to throw supply management under the bus to appease the American bully because their dairy system is a failure.

[bucket]

Because its a socialist marxist construct that has no place in a capitalist system. And its stupid to let a tiny fraction of the electorate wag the dog.

Not arguing but I have a question.....where s this so called capitalist system when the US announces 12 billion for trade distortion they created?

Western canadian farmers accept a price for their grain from the so called Capitalist system but dont get the extra capitalist adhoc payment like the american farmer...

It puts us at a disadvantage when individual farmers in canada are competing with the treasuries of countries like the US or Germany....

[furrowtickler]

Except the mission $10 billion+ over the last 6 years

Lol , not sure who you mission 10 billion