So if supply management issue will save Canada then why not?

[Klause]

Let's destroy the last stable ag sector we have.


So they can be like grain farmers. Competing with each other for land, trying to produce e more than their neighbors and doing it for less, beating our chests about what great capitalists we are while getting sucked dry, laughed at, and taken advantage of by the likes of nutrients and Deere - working to take the maximum possible profit out of every farm and using government (taxpayer) subsidies and government regulations along with mergers and marketing agencies (canpotex) to do it.


Yup. We're the intelligent capitalist farmers.

LOL.

[bucket]

Klause


The funny part is governments will subsidize deere and case like the auto sector and when it doesn't produce results they still won't know what the problem is.....

[fjlip]

So EU subsidies to farmers actually subsidized all their industries selling to farmers? Bottom up? but we had to stop them at WTO. Should have copied instead. International Grains Agreements still necessary.

[Klause]

So EU subsidies to farmers actually subsidized all their industries selling to farmers? Bottom up? but we had to stop them at WTO. Should have copied instead. International Grains Agreements still necessary.

Europe still subsidizes their farmers. Nothing's changed..


Argentina has a going interest rate of 60% and agriculture pays %5-11

Why? Because primary production is how countries guarantee food security and foreign exchange.


Canadians (and maybe Aussies) are the only ones too dense to realize this.

We gave up the crow rate... Do you see a single new flour mill or pasta plant?


We gave up the cwb. Did we get concessions from anybody? Did we get a transparent market?

We gave up the seeds act and now look where we are.


Now we will give up SM.


Those that settled the prairies did so with the promise of land od their own and a way to get their production to market.


Today, we have no constitutional right to own property, our rights are infringed and eroded daily, and we no longer have access to markets.



Makes you wonder what all that back breaking work and survival through all of the trials of the early 1900s/late 1800s was worth it.

And producer organizations that are run by tea-puppets with no understanding of the past or the future just keep making it worse.

When you tell government you are robust, dot need subsidies, don't want subsidies and say everything industry is great, well why are you blaming politicians?

[dmlfarmer]

Europe still subsidizes their farmers. Nothing's changed..


Argentina has a going interest rate of 60% and agriculture pays %5-11

Why? Because primary production is how countries guarantee food security and foreign exchange.


Canadians (and maybe Aussies) are the only ones too dense to realize this.

We gave up the crow rate... Do you see a single new flour mill or pasta plant?


We gave up the cwb. Did we get concessions from anybody? Did we get a transparent market?

We gave up the seeds act and now look where we are.


Now we will give up SM.


Those that settled the prairies did so with the promise of land od their own and a way to get their production to market.


Today, we have no constitutional right to own property, our rights are infringed and eroded daily, and we no longer have access to markets.



Makes you wonder what all that back breaking work and survival through all of the trials of the early 1900s/late 1800s was worth it.

And producer organizations that are run by tea-puppets with no understanding of the past or the future just keep making it worse.

When you tell government you are robust, dot need subsidies, don't want subsidies and say everything industry is great, well why are you blaming politicians?

👍👍👍 well said!

[agboy]

why do we have to keep supply M G to dairy and chicken quota and loose NAFTA?
free enterprice like grain beef pork veg made this good country like Canada
Europa did away with quota end is competing with world supply like u s a
why did they overpay for this high chicken and dairy piece of paper guaranteed profit and we the taxpayers pay for
milk in Montana store 1 to 2 dollar less than here same for butter and chicken !!!!

S-M HAS TO GO ! YES GRASFARMER I CAN NOT BLAME YOU ! FOR NOT GIVING UP THIS CONTROLLED COST PLUS GARANTEED SUPPLY PROFIT FARMING !
U-S-A FARMERS SAYS WE TAKE ALL YOUR BEEF AND PORK ! BUT CAN NOT TAKE MILKPRODUCTS AND CHICKEN FROM US !!
TRUMP HAS A POINT AND IS NOT LOOKING AT CANADA M-G RICH SYSTEM

[BFW]

Whoever said "supply management has no place in a capitalist system" said it best I believe and I doubt very many grain farmers would strive to have this system in place for them as well. I think western grain production would no t flourish in a supply managed scenario. Too me, this supply management in dairy and poultry etc should have been phased out long ago but no one had the balls politically to do it. It costs us something in every trade negotiation. Currently, I don't think it is really even a big deal to the Americans but it has become the lightening rod upon which a trade agreement with them seems to rest upon. We need to clean up our own back yard. Quota was basically given to producers as i understand it ,and now has been bid up to ridiculous levels as a result of easy money and producers with a desire to expand. (sounds like some other parts of agriculture.) Why should they be able to pass the cost of quota along to the consumer. It is not a cost of production ( same for land) so who should determine what a reasonable ROI is? The market perhaps? Dairy production or poultry production will not disappear from this country if the system is removed. They will have to compete and everyone(including them) will benefit as a result. My 2 cents worth. Come at me.

[sumdumguy]

Her e come the 19 cent a pound turkeys for Thanksgiving.

[jazz]

We have no affiliation or solidarity with eastern dairy farmers. They might as well be in another country.

Did any of them make a peep when pulse tarrifs got put on or china played with canola dockage? Nope. . Not one dollar of the SM bonanza gets out of quebec. They gave us 2 Trudeaus. I weep not.

There used to be small diversified farms with dairy operations here in the west. Not anymore. SM consolidated that all down east.

[jazz]

Not sure how SM would work in the grains sector. My BTO neighbor grows enough on his own to feed the entire country. I guess we would just have one or two farms then and a robust SM system. Not sure china would appreciate canada managing their food supply.