So if supply management issue will save Canada then why not?

[Leduc cowboy]

The local dairy cartel here already does that. And the smugness about having the righteous hand of God on their side is only an added bonus!

On another note. Got into a discussion about SM with son of Swiss immigrants. He was adamant that Canadian dairy farmers are stupid and lazy. Told me that his cousin milks 18 cows in Switzerland and makes a good living. When asked how much subsidies he gets paid, he was also very adamant that Switzerland pays no ag subsidies at all.

Now I don't give a shit either way, but I get a kick out of how universal bullshit is.

I spit my coffee out reading that young guys quote . Local spud seed growers oldest son is always tell everyone how lazy and stupid all us Canadian farmers are 😂😂. The brother and dad are nice however so we just ignore him but it must be a European thing.

[grassfarmer]

And this is the elite entitlement that we support and protect? Then we stand tall and pound our chests and sacrifice our trade relationships for?

Every consumer pays for it everyday in the milk jug, the eggs in the fridge and the chicken in the pot. Is this reality something you admire Kornychuck?

I don't know who you are referring to as Kornychuck? I will admit to knowing less about the poultry side of SM than the dairy side but how can you argue chicken is expensive? If it was much cheaper they'd be giving it away.
The truth on milk remains that Canadian milk on average is cheaper than US milk that is produced without rBST. Sure the US stuff produced with the hormone may be cheaper than Canadian but it tells you something that there even are two categories of milk available to the US consumer. They can't produce the same product as us for less money, despite their climatic advantages and the supposed advantages of an unregulated milk market and the resulting economies of scale and "increased efficiency". That tells you Canada has a damn good system and it isn't expensive to the country because we don't need to continually bail out the dairy sector, and it isn't expensive to the consumer because for comparable milk it is cheaper than in the US, NZ or Australia.

[Klause]

Indeed.


Only supply managed meat-protein product (chicken) is the cheapest of all with the highest % going to producers.


Gotta get rid of that so it's like beef where the primary producer starves at the expense of industry.

[Sheepwheat]

Here Are the stats.

66 farms allowed to produce eggs.
67 are allowed to raise meat birds.
Worst, only 11 are in the turkey farming game.

I would think anyone who wants to should be able to raise these products, especially if it is done in a completely differentiated fashion, ie not even the same product. But alas it is a club for elites, not allowed for everyone.

They know they would come up against heavy pressure to compete against real meat and eggs I suppose?

Time to let the rest of us capitalize on the huge market that is not allowed to be entered currently.

People are lined up and ready to pay 💰 twice or more the cost per lb. for differently raised meat. But I as a farmer am out of luck in capturing the full extent of the market.

Even tripling the quota numbers would be helpful. Make it so those who wish could make a living at it, rather than a bit of a supplement. All I ask.

[farmaholic]

Sheepwheat, my suggestion would be...do it and keep your mouth shut what they don't know won't hurt them. Deal with it if it becomes a problem.

[Klause]

Wanna rais eggs?


Make a business plan submit it to egg producers, and get yourself quota. As population grows more new producers are added because the quota is given to new entrants.


I have a friend who started a chicken (egg) barn from scratch with no prior industry involvement.


Quota matches demand. You want to over produce you lower the price the farmer gets. Reducing the share of final price the primary producer receives.

And on top of that competing with farmers from other countries that are subsidized and can exceed our production and logistics capacity easily.


Do you want another hog industry that goes bankrupt cyclically ???

Do you want more OlySky farm's???

[foragefarmer]

'Even tripling the quota numbers would be helpful."

Ya let's over produce so prices can be beaten down like grains and oil seeds. The one place in agriculture where the producer is making a good living.

I thought you were going full bore into raising sheep? Nothing stopping you from expanding to what ever size you want and your local market will demand. ? Produce the allowable numbers of turkeys, chickens and eggs at your farm and stop worrying about SM producers.

[the big wheel]

Wanna rais eggs?


Make a business plan submit it to egg producers, and get yourself quota. As population grows more new producers are added because the quota is given to new entrants.


I have a friend who started a chicken (egg) barn from scratch with no prior industry involvement.


Quota matches demand. You want to over produce you lower the price the farmer gets. Reducing the share of final price the primary producer receives.

And on top of that competing with farmers from other countries that are subsidized and can exceed our production and logistics capacity easily.


Do you want another hog industry that goes bankrupt cyclically ???

Do you want more OlySky farm's???

Ya those hog barns were a disaster some of them. But just like broad ass acres some of them walked away millionaires to handle their bankruptcies with the publics money. The one from your area klaus ended up a. If time grain farmer with those funds of the bankrupt hogs didn't they?

[Sheepwheat]

'Even tripling the quota numbers would be helpful."

Ya let's over produce so prices can be beaten down like grains and oil seeds. The one place in agriculture where the producer is making a good living.

I thought you were going full bore into raising sheep? Nothing stopping you from expanding to what ever size you want and your local market will demand. ? Produce the allowable numbers of turkeys, chickens and eggs at your farm and stop worrying about SM producers.

Tripling quota free numbers would far from flood the market. Very few ppl want to work anymore. Remember, this is a differentiated product, not another barn system. I do not think many are like me, willing to work, willing to tap into markets. I have restaurants that want real meat, would pay for it, but I can not tap into the market, because their demand is not fillable with he limited numbers of non quota meat birds.

Yes we are going hog wild into sheep. So what? That somehow precludes me from doing more? That is a strange thought, that I have to do one thing, and not be allowed to sell poultry meat to restaurants, where there is a huge need.

Am I the only guy on here that thinks outside the bloody box?

11 turkey farmers? Cartel, much? Scared that my far, far, far, superior product will take away a tiny percentage of their watery meat market? It is ridiculous in a free society, that we are restricted from real freedom to tap into a market that won’t take market share. Most consumers will always be buying the watery store poultry. But why not allow those who want to buy the differentiated product, the free choice to do so? By giving the producers an opportunity to fill the void for those who recognize a superior product when they taste it?

Again, am I the only non mass produced commodity, outside the box thinker? Can’t be? Or can I?

[Klause]

Tripling quota free numbers would far from flood the market. Very few ppl want to work anymore. Remember, this is a differentiated product, not another barn system. I do not think many are like me, willing to work, willing to tap into markets. I have restaurants that want real meat, would pay for it, but I can not tap into the market, because their demand is not fillable with he limited numbers of non quota meat birds.

Yes we are going hog wild into sheep. So what? That somehow precludes me from doing more? That is a strange thought, that I have to do one thing, and not be allowed to sell poultry meat to restaurants, where there is a huge need.

Am I the only guy on here that thinks outside the bloody box?

11 turkey farmers? Cartel, much? Scared that my far, far, far, superior product will take away a tiny percentage of their watery meat market? It is ridiculous in a free society, that we are restricted from real freedom to tap into a market that won’t take market share. Most consumers will always be buying the watery store poultry. But why not allow those who want to buy the differentiated product, the free choice to do so? By giving the producers an opportunity to fill the void for those who recognize a superior product when they taste it?

Again, am I the only non mass produced commodity, outside the box thinker? Can’t be? Or can I?

I think youre confusing chicken production and turkey production with processing.


Water is injected at the processor not the farm.


You can produce and sell up to 999 broiler chickens without a quota, or 299 laying hens


For a farmagate direct sales of meat and eggs thats a pretty comfortable size anyway.



Sounds fair to me.


I don't get what the problem is.

[Ronski]

From rochester hatcheries website

Important Message For Our Alberta Customer
The Alberta Turkey Producers has included in its regulation review a change to reduce the exemption number allotted for non-quota producers from 300 to 100 birds. The Alberta Turkey Board has not only failed to consult the affected stakeholders, other than the quota holders, but is not considering the adverse effect this would have on the exempt small flock producers and on consumers.

Many small flock producers support a strong supply managed turkey sector; the current 300 bird exemption also helps small flock producers feed their family and make a living. Production costs of their free-range turkeys are higher than more intensively raised birds due to a much longer rearing period, higher feed costs and lack of access to affordable processing. With net profit margins between 10% and 15% any reduction in their ability to raise an adequate number of birds would have a devastating effect on small producers.

There is no evidence that small flock producers pose any risk to raising healthy birds in Alberta. In fact, some evidence shows turkeys raised in small flocks are safer and healthier than those raised intensively in large numbers. Therefore, I strongly defend the practices of small flock producers and their right to continue raising up to 300 turkeys without quota.

The consumers that buy these free-range turkeys are showing there is real demand for an alternately raised turkey. Any reduction in the exemption as a result of this proposed change would leave consumers with less choice.

The Alberta Government's Bill 7 (Supporting Alberta's Local Food Sector Act) states that it wants to "encourage the development and success of a local food sector throughout the Province...". Clearly reducing the number of turkeys a small producer/direct marketer can raise, runs counter to that goal. Allowing small producers to raise and market up to 300 birds a year encourages local food production, supports diversity on family farms and offers Alberta consumers increased product choices.

We strongly oppose any move to reduce the number of turkeys non-quota producers can raise in Alberta.

[Sheepwheat]

I think youre confusing chicken production and turkey production with processing.


Water is injected at the processor not the farm.


You can produce and sell up to 999 broiler chickens without a quota, or 299 laying hens


For a farmagate direct sales of meat and eggs thats a pretty comfortable size anyway.



Sounds fair to me.


I don't get what the problem is.

Hey klause hope all is well with y’all! I guess I thought I was being clear on this. I want the opportunity to go all out and raise a few thousand chickens, and a thousand turkeys for example. That is the problem. I cannot. Again I have contacts begging for more of my birds, but I can not fill their needs. It is an opportunity missed. They know how our birds are raised, how they taste, and they want more. I am not allowed to fill their needs. I see that as a big problem. Run of the mill barn birds do not come close to filling what the specs are that they have, both from a raising style, and from a quality perspective.

Regarding eggs, we have looked into quota, applied for it, and failed. This tells me they do not want more producers, but want to take great care of those 11 turkey guys and 133 chicken farmers on the inside!

Regarding milk, I find it mildly amusing that the person who was adamant we were not allowed to produce goat milk without a quota, as grassy pointed out, is a falsehood, is a dairy farmer. Protective enough to fight outside their jurisdiction... 😆

Butchering chickens, gotta get back at it on this wet day.

[Sheepwheat]

Waiting on the water to warm back up for batch two. Speaking of water, Regarding the watery comment. After one has had real meat, they will know what I mean by watery. Not literally watery. Hard to explain. Flavourless, as in watered down. Store meat is dull and boring for the chefs that want my products. I know our family won’t touch store meat anymore, after raising most meats available and realizing how sad store meat has become. Most different is pork, chicken and turkey a close second. It is not even comparable.

Again, I am not allowed to fill a market in need. It is not like I am even going head to head. It is a different product altogether!

[MBgrower]

What percentage of chicken and turkey quota is controlled by the Hutts?

[grassfarmer]

That's old news Ronski - that battle was fought and won back in the spring. The Turkey Producers backed down on their effort to cut the exemption. Took some effort from Direct Marketers and the NFU to fight it off.